Author: Robert Hyatt
Date: 18:51:05 11/20/02
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On November 20, 2002 at 19:26:51, Uri Blass wrote: >On November 20, 2002 at 18:26:36, Robert Hyatt wrote: > >>On November 20, 2002 at 10:59:29, Uri Blass wrote: >> >>>On November 20, 2002 at 10:51:42, Robert Hyatt wrote: >>> >>>>On November 20, 2002 at 07:35:40, Uri Blass wrote: >>>> >>>>>On November 20, 2002 at 07:22:11, Mike Byrne wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On November 20, 2002 at 03:29:50, Pavel Blokhine wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>What oepnings book Deep Blue used against Gary Kasparov and how many games it >>>>>>>had? Does anybody knows? In the sixth and last game, Deep Blue used a knight >>>>>>>sacrifice that few programs will have considered or made. And it made some very >>>>>>>human like moves all troughout the 6 matchs so may be Gary Kasparov was right on >>>>>>>his hints that there may have been some cheating from the IBM team. >>>>>> >>>>>>The knight sacrifice seemed to catch Kasparov off guard. You are right most >>>>>>proframs are either told to back up the knight or would not make it on their >>>>>>own. >>>>> >>>>>Deeper blue also made it out of it's book. >>>>>I do not think that deep blue was going to make it on his own. >>>>> >>>>> After the game, almost everyone said that the h6 by Kasparov was a >>>>>>mistake. Obviously he played it in anticipation that DB would back up the >>>>>>knight (because Fritz always backed up the knight). >>>>> >>>>>I think that the reason that he expected it was simply because he had the >>>>>illusion that deep blue is out of book. >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>Some point to this game as to how faulty Kasparov's preparation was for the >>>>>>match. The mistakes: >>>>>> >>>>>>1. He played many games against Fritz. Fritz is no Deep Blue. He though Deep >>>>>>Blue would make moves like Fritz. >>>>> >>>>>How do you know. >>>> >>>>Common knowledge. He said so. Friedel said so... etc... >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>There were a lot of chess programs at that time genius,wchess,Mchess,Hiarcs. >>>>>Why Fritz? >>>> >>>>ChessBase. Need I say more? >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>>Genius was the best program at the time of the match. >>>> >>>> >>>>In 1997? Not even close... >>> >>> >>>I mean the best commercial. >> >>So do I. In 1997 genius was nowhere near the top of the programs. Even in 1996 >>Fritz was already generally the best program around, with shredder up there as >>well. I was fortunate enough to beat fritz (quest I think it was called) in >>the WMCCC >>event that year as he had a buggy version.. but genius was out of the picture >>by then. It >>was good, but just "good"... > >Genius did not win WCCC in 1995 but it was clealrly better than Fritz3 based on >the ssdf list. > >Fritz5 was the first Fritz version that was better than genius based on the ssdf >results. > >I believe that no later Fritz than Fritz4 existed in 1996. > >> >> >>> >>>I believe that Fritz5 came only later to top the ssdf nut I may be wrong. >>>The question is if Fritz5 was available at the time of the match. >> >>yes it must have been. At least some version of fritz was among the best in >>1997... And >>IIRC Shredder won the WMCCC in Paris... > >Junior won the WMCCC in paris. >Genius did not play in that tournament. > >I think that Genius was close to number 1 of the ssdf in the time of the match >kasparov-Deeper blue. > >Uri That would have been 1997. Genius was _clearly_ not the best commercial program at that time. We had 'em all playing on ICC and in various tournaments. Genius was at its unbeatable peak in the early 90's... In 1996 in Jakarta the odds-on favorite was Fritz, based on public opinion... It's all moot now, of course. Genius is basically MIA.
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