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Subject: Re: Illegal EPD file in Neishtadt

Author: Omid David Tabibi

Date: 02:45:24 11/22/02

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On November 22, 2002 at 01:37:13, Vincent Diepeveen wrote:

>On November 22, 2002 at 01:14:51, Vincent Diepeveen wrote:
>
>position 40 in your testset is illegal:
>
>4kqrk/r5pp/pn1p1p2/2pPpPPQ/2P4P/1P3P2/2BBK3/6RR w - - 0 1 [280]
>

There were several errors which were fixed. But apparently, I have uploaded the
old version.

Anyway, the correct FEN for your mentioned position is:

5qrk/r5pp/pn1p1p2/2pPpPPQ/2P4P/1P3P2/2BBK3/6RR w - - 0 1


>I wonder how you ran tests with it.
>
>>Hello, first table is first part of Omids numbers he needs at
>>
>>http://www.cs.biu.ac.il/~davoudo/pubs/vrfd_neishtadt_dep9.txt
>>
>>Node counts to get a 9 ply search depth.
>>
>>        std R = 1       std R = 2       std R = 3      vrfd R = 3
>>
>>  1       6864391         2073995          353415          640836
>>  2      11849513         3952080          704417         1159792
>>  3       7735232         2421290         1024175         1909431
>>  4      10399311         3217656          296633          424892
>>  5       7894973         1667965          391265         1276789
>>  6      23843259         8257609         9196191         7599069
>>  7      16628446         4849724          774861         1275569
>>  8        232149          100757           25096           47493
>>  9       7923159         2472308          282501          542888
>> 10       8422519         2967494          277978          519170
>> 11       5882451         2211559          418959          630473
>> 12      16328807        10896537         3521012         3423127
>> 13      11757759         3931197         1670286         4404093
>> 14      52221384        15187127         7874393        13271141
>> 15      25414826         8068577          802341         1448106
>> 16       4928787         1841152          744449          986228
>> 17      29153860         8656690         7331342        19243173
>> 18      19251137         6351804         5102125         7498985
>> 19       2676023          981646          416481          636074
>> 20      36591070        14202065         6044385         8603409
>> 21      22981115        16732702        17323332        13160168
>> 22       1850548          662302          334199          748723
>> 23       1329803          499360          213462          350438
>> 24      25077330         7829115         1872259         3658545
>> 25       7918374         3624752         2546515         6415498
>> 26      12932272         3954053         1515639         2121015
>> 27       7918018         2639096          765158         1687489
>> 28       7931073         2880664         1432676         2767042
>> 29       3068185         1122273          146023          281129
>> 30      10010362         2893682         1196519         2498546
>> 31       1785611          622960          111294          161102
>> 32      21267135         7950051         3624877         8643335
>> 33       4507858         2653606         1259310         2984433
>> 34       5462440         1951888          413763          756776
>> 35      15510610         6237615         2680171         5205710
>> 36      19031416         8431949         6134553        10015012
>> 37      23244769        10064705         4283335         2791961
>> 38       3982956         2258114         1285883         1117010
>> 39        540635          226331           90965          146517
>> 40       7366081         3515047         1956719          686776
>> 41       4465020         1442182          489696         1152792
>> 42      10442881         5683547         1495948         4652067
>> 43       1698094          623525           95375          244035
>> 44        560198          436933          335003          167386
>> 45      27686232         8698978         4577878         9033014
>> 46       4688588         1802221          583648         1320446
>> 47        921944          282597          100937          224661
>> 48       4140231         1368459          321342          707243
>> 49      13663065         4713142         2904570         6137891
>> 50       9705458         3848893         1637528         2530890
>>
>>
>>
>>From Omid's positions the vaste majority is mating positions.
>>
>>position 4 is a mate in 2. How do you manage to need 10.4MLN nodes
>>there Omid to finish 9 ply.
>>
>>Here is what DIEP needs at 9 ply for the
>>same positions and fullwidth it ain't much more for the mate in 2:
>>
>>depth totalnodes              time needed (single cpu)
>> 9  223019 (      0,      0)    3.02  1
>> 9   54038 (      0,      0)    0.83  2
>> 9 1707338 (      0,      0)   21.74  3
>> 9    9814 (      0,      0)    0.27  4
>> 9  145529 (      0,      0)    1.98  5
>> 9 1343273 (      0,      0)   19.77  6
>> 9  142710 (      0,      0)    1.34  7
>> 9   37725 (      0,      0)    0.81  8
>> 9  178479 (      0,      0)    2.05  9
>> 9   11620 (      0,      0)    0.44  10
>> 9   53039 (      0,      0)    0.89  11
>> 9 2348386 (      0,      0)   25.78  12
>> 9 1541525 (      0,      0)   18.14  13
>> 9 5177632 (      0,      0)   63.75  14
>> 9  120584 (      0,      0)    1.57  15
>> 9   43201 (      0,      0)    0.76  16
>> 9 3599264 (      0,      0)   49.54  17
>> 9 1253990 (      0,      0)   16.47  18
>> 9  173255 (      0,      0)    2.95  19
>> 9  186748 (      0,      0)    1.56  20
>> 9 3836215 (      0,      0)   53.99  21
>> 9  183931 (      0,      0)    1.67  22
>>
>>So you need a factor 1000 more with R=1 there
>>than DIEP needs with nullmove.
>>
>>296613 nodes for R=3 is also a weird high number
>>for a mate in 2, considering how simple your qsearch
>>seems to be.
>>
>>Not a single position is not getting solved.
>>Not a single position therefore we have a regular
>>search seraching the next ply. It's just fail high fail high
>>fail high.
>>
>>And majority is mates. Perhaps it's all mates even...
>>
>>How can you need a 6.9 branching factor with R=1 when it is
>>basically all mates?
>>
>>10 million nodes for a mate in 2 to finish 9 ply!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>
>>This is weird.
>>
>>Best Regards,
>>Vincent



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