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Subject: Re: Node count differences with Omids verification search

Author: Andreas Herrmann

Date: 09:58:42 11/22/02

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On November 22, 2002 at 11:35:38, Tony Werten wrote:

>On November 22, 2002 at 10:39:16, Uri Blass wrote:
>
>>On November 22, 2002 at 10:30:34, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>
>>>On November 22, 2002 at 07:21:13, Uri Blass wrote:
>>>
>>>>On November 22, 2002 at 05:50:09, Omid David Tabibi wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Vincent,
>>>>>
>>>>>You haven't read the article yet. READ IT. I have described everything I have
>>>>>done quite clearly, and have presented the results. All the node counts are also
>>>>>available at my website.
>>>>>
>>>>>Regarding your checkmate question: except for the "Mate in 4" and "Mate in 5"
>>>>>positions which I was interested to know only if the checkmating was found or
>>>>>not, in all other test positions (ECM, WCS, Neishtadt) the search was conducted
>>>>>to the mentioned depth even if a checkmate is found at eariler plies. This was
>>>>>done in order to ensure that the fixed depth results are comparable in terms of
>>>>>tree size.
>>>>>
>>>>>Omid.
>>>>
>>>>What do you search after finding a mate?
>>>>Does genesis search for a shorter mate and in this case does it knows not to
>>>>search when it get ply that means that no shorter mate can be found?
>>>>
>>>>Movei simply stop searching after finishing an iteration with mate score.
>>>>
>>>>Uri
>>>
>>>
>>>I would suspect he does like most everyone else.  Search until you reach depth
>>>2*N-1 where N is the mate depth as in mate in 9.  I need to search 17 plies to
>>>verify that no shorter mate than mate in 9 exists...
>>
>>I do not know what most do but I do not care after finding a mate to find the
>>shorter mate.
>>
>>The result is the same even if I do not find the shortest mate.
>>I care only to finish the iteration.
>
>You'll care when you add tablebase support.
>
>When there are 6 pieces on the board and your program sacrifies his queen to
>find a checkmate in 123, you'd wish it had searched a bit longer to find the
>mate in 4.

Hi Tony,

but then you must be in depth 245 to cut the search by checkmate in 123 and
search abort after 2*N-1.

In previous versions i have also finished the search after 2*N-1. In my current
version i finish my search after 2*N+2, because of Nullmove and other pruning
algos. But it's mainly interresting to search a little bit deeper if there was
found a mate for the opponent, perhaps in some rare cases a draw will be find 2
or 3 plys deeper.

Andreas

PS: Thanks again for your DLL. Works fine :)





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