Author: James T. Walker
Date: 07:25:35 11/25/02
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On November 25, 2002 at 06:22:49, Chessfun wrote: >On November 24, 2002 at 22:44:32, James T. Walker wrote: > >>On November 24, 2002 at 13:20:36, Chessfun wrote: >> >>>On November 24, 2002 at 11:09:48, James T. Walker wrote: >>> >>>>On November 23, 2002 at 13:46:33, Jan Kiwitter wrote: >>>> >>>>>On November 23, 2002 at 13:41:27, Jorge Pichard wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On November 23, 2002 at 11:01:49, Christophe Theron wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>On November 23, 2002 at 11:00:04, Joachim Rang wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>On November 23, 2002 at 08:14:08, Jorge Pichard wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>Deep Fritz will have another miraculous return in the last 6 games just like in >>>>>>>>>the previous matches. I predict a 21 to 19 in favor of Chess Tiger 15. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>Pichard. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>where is the return, if you predict another 6 draws? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>:) >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Good point! :) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Christophe >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>No, I didn't say that I predict 6 more draws, but probably another win or even >>>>>>two for Deep Fritz and the remaining draws. >>>>> >>>>>But then the result cannot be 21-19. >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Pichard >>>> >>>>I'm amazed it's this close. I have played 25 games of Fritz 7 vs Chess Tiger 15 >>>>at G/60min and Fritz 7 leads by 18.5-6.5. Chess Tiger 15 is currently ranked # >>>>22 in my standard database after 101 games. I'm getting miserable results for >>>>Tiger 15-normal. I find it hard to believe it improves dramatically when the >>>>time control is raised to 40/2hours. >>>>Jim >>> >>>Going back to beta testing as you may recall, my results even at 40/40 were >>>always good, as were others. Also this match is Deep Fritz 7 not Fritz 7. >>> >>>I also don't see the time control as being too relevant as again from memory >>>even at fast blitz Tiger 15 performed better than Tiger 14. >>> >>>Sarah. >> >>Hello Sarah, >>Well if you go back to the beta testing you will see I never did have really >>good results. In fact vs Junior 7 I seem to remember that Tiger got like 3.5 >>points out of 24 games (7 draws no wins). It was close to Fritz 7 but never was >>ahead of Fritz 7 in my test. I played over 1000 games and my results were >>mediocre especially vs Fritz 7 & Junior. As I said above Chess Tiger 15 was >>ranked # 22 in my database. That's not very impressive although it contains >>only 101 games of Chess Tiger 15-normal. Since the beta test I have now >>swithced to XP2400+ cpus and so far results are about the same. I'm running >>Tiger with either 96M/192M hash and have all 3/4/5 man tablebases. It also beat >>Ruffian by only 14-12. Ruffian is ranked about #8 in my database now and Chess >>Tiger 15 moved up to the 18th spot after some wins vs Hiarcs 8 today. I don't >>like to test at 40/2hrs because it takes too long and besides the SSDF does a >>good job at that time control. >>Jim > >I remember your results against Junior 7 as it was after the final release and >as I recall we had a thread on the subject. As you remember I also tried exactly >at the same time as you and posted my 9 games at 40/40 +3 -2 =2. > >If I also remember your results earlier were much better although there were no >changes in the final beta. I even took the liberty of checking and your results >against Junior 7 in longish games were; > >Chess Tiger 15 normal vs Junior 7 >@G/60 min 9.5-4.5 >@ 40/60 min 7.0-3.0 > >Taken from your post dated 08-09-2002. > >Sarah. As I said, I played over 1000 games. That post was after 925 games and ignores the poor results with Junior mentioned earlier. My results since then have continued to be worse as indicated by my post. My latest database does not include the beta test games. I never included them in the database because it was a "beta" version as far as I knew and I didn't want to screw up my database with games from a broken beta engine. In retrospect I could have kept them since the beta ended up being the final version as far as I know. Here is what is in my "standard" database now for Tiger 15 vs: Fritz 7 8.5-16.5 (corrected) Junior 7 2.0-12.0 Ruffian 14.0-12.0 Shredder 6Classic 7.0-11.0 Hiarcs 8 9.0-9.0 Shredder Paderborn 5.0-3.0 Aristarch 4.4 4.5-2.5 Junior 6 3.5-1.5 That is a score for Tiger 15 of 53.5 out of 121. Not very impressive. The above results vs Fritz 7 and Junior 7 are terrible. I don't know if it's the result of "learning" by those two during the beta period or what. I doubt it's that. It could just be bad luck but it started way back near the end of the beta period. I have no explanation for the results, only the results themselves.
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