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Subject: Re: How Many Programmes Avoid Qxe7+?? Quickly? Chess Tiger Is The Fastest

Author: Uri Blass

Date: 07:52:23 11/25/02

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On November 25, 2002 at 10:14:27, Terry McCracken wrote:

>On November 25, 2002 at 00:29:56, John Merlino wrote:
>
>>On November 24, 2002 at 23:56:30, Terry McCracken wrote:
>>
>>>[D]8/4p3/4Q3/8/8/k1p3PP/1q3P1K/8 w - - 0 1
>>>
>>>This is reposted as it was given little attention.
>>>
>>>
>>>http://www.talkchess.com/forums/1/message.html?266990
>>
>>Chessmaster 9000, on a P3-733, gives up on Qxe7+ in two seconds:
>>
>>Time	Depth	Score	Positions	Moves
>>0:00	1/3	0.20	5091		1.Qxe7+ Ka2 2.Qe6+ Kb1 3.Qf6
>>0:00	1/4	0.20	10263		1.Qxe7+ Ka2 2.Qe6+ Kb1 3.Qe1+ Qc1
>>					4.Qe5
>>0:00	1/5	0.18	25204		1.Qxe7+ Ka2 2.Qe6+ Kb1 3.Qe1+ Ka2
>>					4.h4 c2 5.Qe6+ Kb1
>>0:00	1/6	0.00	64218		1.Qxe7+ Ka2 2.Qe6+ Kb1 3.Qe1+ Ka2
>>					4.Qe6+
>>0:02	1/7	-0.18	154813		1.Qxe7+ Ka2 2.Qe6+ Qb3 3.Qa6+ Kb1
>>					4.h4 c2 5.Qg6 Qc3 6.f4
>>0:02	1/7	0.00	206769		1.Qa6+ Kb4 2.Qb7+ Kc4 3.Qe4+ Kb3
>>					4.Qe6+ Ka4 5.Qc6+ Kb3 6.Qe6+
>>0:03	2/8	0.00	296235		1.Qa6+ Kb4 2.Qb7+ Kc4 3.Qe4+ Kb3
>>					4.Qe6+ Ka4 5.Qc6+ Kb3 6.Qe6+
>>0:07	3/9	0.00	624641		1.Qa6+ Kb4 2.Qb7+ Kc4 3.Qe4+ Kb3
>>					4.Qe6+ Ka4 5.Qc6+ Kb3 6.Qe6+
>>
>>jm
>
>Yes, the only way to draw is Qa6+!! CM 9000 is Stong!
>
>
>1. Qxe7+ Ka2 2. Qe6+ Kb1 3. Qe4+ c2 is dead lost for White!
>
>1. Qxe7+ Ka2 2. Qe6+
>( 2. Qa7+)
>2... Kb1 3. Qe4+
>( 3. Qe1+ Qc1 )
>3... c2 4. Qe1+
>
>Terry

After
1.Qxa7+Ka2 2.Qe6+ Kb1 3.Qe4+ c2

Yace can see only a draw score.


New position
[D]8/8/8/8/4Q3/6PP/1qp2P1K/1k6 w - - 0 1

Analysis by Yace 0.99.56:

4.Qe4xc2+ Kb1xc2
  -+  (-6.10)   Depth: 1   00:00:02
4.f2-f4
  +-  (2.14)   Depth: 1   00:00:02
4.f2-f4 Kb1-c1
  +-  (2.00)   Depth: 2   00:00:02
4.f2-f4 Kb1-a1 5.Qe4-a4+ Ka1-b1
  +-  (2.13)   Depth: 3   00:00:02
4.f2-f4 Kb1-a1 5.Qe4-a4+ Ka1-b1 6.Qa4-e4
  =  (0.00)   Depth: 4   00:00:02
4.f2-f4 Kb1-a1 5.Qe4-a4+ Ka1-b1 6.Qa4-e4 Kb1-a1 7.Qe4-a4+ Ka1-b1 8.Qa4-e4
  =  (0.00)   Depth: 4   00:00:02
4.h3-h4 Kb1-a1 5.Qe4-a4+ Ka1-b1
  =  (0.01)   Depth: 4   00:00:02
4.h3-h4 Kb1-a1 5.Qe4-a4+ Ka1-b1 6.Qa4-e4 Kb1-a1
  =  (0.01)   Depth: 4   00:00:02
4.g3-g4 Kb1-a1 5.Qe4-a4+ Ka1-b1
  =  (0.02)   Depth: 4   00:00:02
4.g3-g4 Kb1-a1 5.Qe4-a4+ Ka1-b1 6.Qa4-e4 Kb1-a1
  =  (0.02)   Depth: 4   00:00:02
4.Qe4-f5 Kb1-a1 5.Qf5-a5+ Ka1-b1
  =  (0.03)   Depth: 4   00:00:02
4.Qe4-f5 Kb1-a1 5.Qf5-a5+ Ka1-b1 6.Qa5-d5 c2-c1Q 7.h3-h4
  =  (0.03)   Depth: 4   00:00:02
4.Qe4-g6 Kb1-a1 5.Qg6-a6+ Ka1-b1
  =  (0.04)   Depth: 4   00:00:02
4.Qe4-g6 Qb2-a3 5.f2-f4 Qa3-f3
  +-  (1.79)   Depth: 4   00:00:02
4.Qe4-d3 Kb1-c1
  +-  (1.80)   Depth: 4   00:00:02
4.Qe4-d3 Kb1-a2 5.Qd3-d5+ Ka2-a3 6.Qd5-a5+ Ka3-b3 7.Qa5-b5+ Kb3-c3
  +-  (1.83)   Depth: 4   00:00:02
4.Qe4-d3 Kb1-a2 5.Qd3-d5+ Ka2-a3 6.Qd5-a5+ Ka3-b3 7.Qa5-b5+ Kb3-c3 8.Qb5-e5+
Kc3-b3 9.Qe5-e3+ Kb3-c4 10.Qe3-e6+ Kc4-c3 11.Qe6-e5+ Kc3-b3 12.Qe5-b8+ Kb3-c3
13.Qb8-e5+
  +-  (1.76)   Depth: 5   00:00:02  15kN
4.Qe4-d3 Kb1-a2 5.Qd3-d5+ Ka2-a3 6.Qd5-a5+ Ka3-b3 7.Qa5-b5+ Kb3-c3 8.Qb5-e5+
Kc3-b3 9.Qe5-e3+ Kb3-c4 10.Qe3-e4+ Kc4-c3 11.Qe4-e5+ Kc3-b3 12.Qe5-e3+ Kb3-c4
13.Qe3-e4+ Kc4-c3 14.Qe4-e5+
  +-  (1.71)   Depth: 6   00:00:02  38kN
4.Qe4-d3 Kb1-a1 5.Qd3-a6+ Ka1-b1 6.Qa6-c6 c2-c1Q 7.Qc6-f6
  ±  (1.31)   Depth: 7   00:00:02  88kN
4.Qe4-d3 Kb1-a1 5.Qd3-a6+ Ka1-b1 6.Qa6-g6 Kb1-a1 7.Qg6-a6+ Ka1-b1 8.Qa6-g6
Kb1-a2 9.Qg6-f7+ Ka2-b1 10.Qf7-f5 Kb1-a1 11.Qf5-a5+ Ka1-b1
  =  (0.00)   Depth: 7   00:00:02  88kN
4.Qe4-d3 Kb1-a1 5.Qd3-a6+ Ka1-b1 6.Qa6-g6 Kb1-a2 7.Qg6-a6+ Ka2-b1 8.Qa6-g6
Kb1-a2 9.Qg6-a6+ Ka2-b1
  =  (0.00)   Depth: 8   00:00:03  143kN
4.Qe4-d3 Kb1-a1 5.Qd3-a6+ Ka1-b1 6.Qa6-g6 Kb1-a2 7.Qg6-a6+ Ka2-b1 8.Qa6-g6
Kb1-a2 9.Qg6-a6+ Ka2-b1
  =  (0.00)   Depth: 9   00:00:03  229kN
4.Qe4-d3 Kb1-a1 5.Qd3-a6+ Ka1-b1 6.Qa6-g6 Kb1-a2 7.Qg6-a6+ Ka2-b1 8.Qa6-g6
Kb1-a2 9.Qg6-a6+ Ka2-b1
  =  (0.00)   Depth: 10   00:00:03  434kN
4.Qe4-d3 Kb1-a1 5.Qd3-a6+ Ka1-b1 6.Qa6-g6 Kb1-a2 7.Qg6-a6+ Ka2-b1 8.Qa6-g6
Kb1-a2 9.Qg6-a6+ Ka2-b1
  =  (0.00)   Depth: 11   00:00:04  948kN
4.Qe4-d3 Kb1-a1 5.Qd3-a6+ Ka1-b1 6.Qa6-g6 Kb1-a2 7.Qg6-a6+ Ka2-b1
  =  (0.00)   Depth: 12   00:00:07  1816kN
4.Qe4-d3 Kb1-a1 5.Qd3-a6+ Ka1-b1 6.Qa6-d3
  =  (0.00)   Depth: 14   00:00:35  12790kN
4.Qe4-d3 Qb2-e5 5.h3-h4 Kb1-b2 6.Qd3-d2 Qe5-c3 7.Qd2-e2 Kb2-a2
  =  (-0.01)   Depth: 16   00:05:21  119886kN
4.Qe4-f5 Qb2-d4 5.Kh2-g2 Kb1-b2 6.Qf5-b5+ Kb2-a3 7.Qb5-a5+ Ka3-b3 8.Qa5-b5+
Kb3-c3 9.Qb5-a5+ Kc3-d3 10.Qa5-a6+ Qd4-c4 11.Qa6-a3+ Kd3-d2 12.Qa3-d6+ Kd2-e2
13.Qd6-e7+ Ke2-d1 14.Qe7-d7+ Kd1-e1 15.Qd7-e7+ Ke1-d2 16.Qe7-e3+ Kd2-d1
17.Qe3-f3+ Qc4-e2 18.Qf3-b3 Kd1-d2 19.Qb3-b4+
  =  (0.00)   Depth: 16   00:07:35  171272kN
4.Qe4-f5 Qb2-d4 5.Kh2-g2
  =  (0.00)   Depth: 16   00:07:39  172785kN

(Blass, Tel-aviv 25.11.2002)

Can you convince yace by going backward that Qxe7+ is losing?
If you can then what is your tree?

Uri



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