Author: Joachim Rang
Date: 13:26:47 11/25/02
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On November 25, 2002 at 14:26:33, Robert Hyatt wrote: >On November 25, 2002 at 12:56:59, Joachim Rang wrote: > >>On November 24, 2002 at 23:56:30, Terry McCracken wrote: >> >>>[D]8/4p3/4Q3/8/8/k1p3PP/1q3P1K/8 w - - 0 1 >>> >>>This is reposted as it was given little attention. >>> >>> >>>http://www.talkchess.com/forums/1/message.html?266990 >> >>yep, Terry is right! You can easily try it for yourself, by let the engines play >>against themselves. Althoug many engines show a drawish score in the beginning, >>they realize after a few moves, that white is going to loose. But you have at >>least give the engines 1 minute per move: >> >>Here are a few winning lines: > > >I don't like that kind of "proof". If white makes a mistake that it doesn't >understand >early on, then it loses later. That doesn't mean the loss is forced. > >Note that I am not saying that it is not a loss, but I didn't see anything >forced when >looking at it myself... > > you are absloutely right, this is not a "proof", but I'm quite sure, that white is definitely lost, only there are so many lines, that it is quite impossible to show a proof. But just play on, even crafty finds the win for black after a few more moves ;-) > >> >>New game >>Shootout (Ruffian1) >> >>1.Qxe7+ Ka2 2.Qe6+ Kb1 3.Kg2 c2 4.Qe4 Qb5 5.Kh2 Kb2 6.Qd4+ Ka2 7.Qa7+ Kb1 8.Qh7 >>Qd5 9.Kg1 Kb2 10.Qh8+ Ka2 11.Qh6 Qd1+ 12.Kg2 c1Q+- 0-1 >> >> > >IE in the above I would play 3. Qd4 after letting crafty search a while here. >Crafty thinks >Kg2 definitely leads to a black advantage after a while. IE the score sticks at >0.00 for >the queen move I suggested, while it steadily drops after Kg2... > I assume you meant 3. Qe4+ (Qd4 is not a legal move in that position). The answer is 3... c2. Now, just give crafty a few more moves: After 4. Qd3 Crafty soon fails high on Qb6 and finds the win alone. After 4.h4 or any pawn- or Kingmove black answers Qc3 After 5.g4 or any pawn- or kingmove crafty gets soon a fail high for black. After all moves for white you will at lat see in the fifth move for black crafty gets its fail high :-). > > >> >>New game >>Shootout (ChessTiger14) >> >>1.Qxe7+ Ka2 2.Qe6+ Qb3 3.Qa6+ [3.Qe2+ c2 4.f4 Kb2 5.g4 Qd5 6.Qf2 Kc3 7.Qe3+ Qd3 >>8.Qc5+ Kd2 9.Qb4+ Ke3 10.Qc5+ Kxf4 11.Qf2+ Ke4 12.Qf5+ Ke3 13.Qc5+ Kd2 14.Qb4+ >>Ke2 15.Qe7+ Qe3 16.Qxe3+ Kxe3+-] 3...Kb2 4.Qf6 Kb1 5.Qf5+ c2 6.Qe4 Ka2 7.Qc6 Kb2 >>8.Qf6+ Qc3 9.Qb6+ Kc1 10.Qe6 Kd2 11.Qd5+ Qd3 12.Qa5+ Ke2 13.Qc5 Qd1 14.Qe3+ Kf1 >>15.Qe4 c1Q+- 0-1 >> >> >> >> >>New game >>Shootout (Shredder62, Blitz:10') >> >>1.Qxe7+ Ka2 2.Qe6+ Kb1 3.Qe1+ Ka2 4.Qe6+ Kb1 5.Qe4+ c2 6.f4 Qc3 7.f5 Kc1 8.f6 >>Qxf6 9.h4 Qf2+ 10.Kh3 Kd2 11.Qd5+ Ke1 12.Qe4+ Qe2 13.Qc6 Qf1+ 14.Kg4 Qd3 15.Kh3 >>Qf5+ 16.Kh2 Ke2 17.Qe8+ Kf1 18.Qc6 Qf2+ 19.Kh3 Kg1 20.Kg4 Qe2+ 21.Kf5 Qf1+ >>22.Kg6 c1Q 0-1
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