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Subject: Re: Verified Null-Move Pruning, ICGA 25(3)

Author: Omid David Tabibi

Date: 11:45:58 11/26/02

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On November 26, 2002 at 13:57:55, Robert Hyatt wrote:

>On November 26, 2002 at 12:18:10, Omid David Tabibi wrote:
>>On November 26, 2002 at 07:09:07, Gian-Carlo Pascutto wrote:
>>>On November 25, 2002 at 22:32:28, Dave Gomboc wrote:
>>>>>No. Maybe I shouldn't have mentioned it - it's not really fair
>>>>>to Omir as he does publish his stuff.
>>>>In that case, I'll take it as a courtesy if you don't criticize any work I
>>>>happen to publish because it uses node counts instead of wall clock timings.
>>>I don't think it's fair to say 'what you published is crap, I have
>>>something much better but I'm not telling you what and I'm not going
>>>to publish it or post test results from it'.
>>>I think it's fair to say 'what you published is crap because you did
>>>not test it correctly and you compared only to inferior methods whereas
>>>better methods were already known and published'
>>>I don't think it's fair to criticise Omir because his scheme does
>>>not work in my engine. I think it's fair to criticise him because
>>>he did not include Heinz scheme in his tests.
>>What do you mean by "he did not include Heinz scheme in his tests"?
>>Omid (not Omir!)
>He probably means adaptive R in null-move.

Yes, and I replied at

>>>Even though he did not test nodes or time to solution and I think
>>>it's necessary to do so, I'm not going to criticise him for not doing
>>>so, although I'll explain why I think it's needed. Omir is young and
>>>to get published it is easier to do as has been done before you because
>>>it will get you accepted more easily.
>>>But please consider that many breakthroughs were made because people
>>>_didn't_ do that.
>>>I'll applaud the first one to publish an academic paper to use
>>>nodes (if NPS is proven to be unaffected by the change) or time to
>>>solution as the primary measure in the test results.
>>>If that's you, then, well
>>>*clap* *clap* *clap* *clap*

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