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Subject: Re: advantages turn into disadvantages :-)

Author: Dirk Frickenschmidt

Date: 23:31:01 09/15/98

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On September 15, 1998 at 16:07:26, Thorsten Czub wrote:

Hi Thorsten,

no reason to get angry again.

1. It is a simple fact that up to now most people by far use PCs with Intels
built in.

2. This (and no ideological reasoning about the advantages of certain
processors) is the simple reason the SSDF and many other testers also use Intels
since many years.

3. As long as there is such a widespread processor it is quite natural that a
majority of those interested in computerchess are interested in how the present
programs do on these and compare anything else to this and not the other way
round.

4. Now the SSDF ratings show nothing else than how programs do on these
widespread standard processor types like 200MMX (or P90 or 486-66 or 486-33
before). Just to have something which easily compares to what most people have
themselves, not because it is necessarily technically best or fast especially
for program x or y or not.

5. As can be seen from the last worldchampionship you can well compete on
different processor types. This is not wrong, it's just something else.

6. If so you shouldn't get angry when your playing conditions are compared to
those de facto standard conditions named above. The comparison does not imply
ideologic reasoning or critisism or that your processors shouldn't be used. It
just says that they may lead to slightly other results than those used with most
testing, and in the Fritz5 case this means comparably slower (in not
breathtaking dimensions by the way, like playing an Intel 200MMX against another
one with 233 or 266 speed). Nothing more, nothing less.

So I think it's completely ok to hint at the difference without any need for you
to get sour...


Regards
from Dirk


>On September 15, 1998 at 01:35:25, Kai Skibbe wrote:
>>Hi Dirk,
>>
>>Did you ever test fritz on a K6 ? I have a K6-II 333MHz (4*83MHz) and compared
>>it to a Pentium II 300MHz. Hasttable are exactly the same size. My tests say
>>that the K6 at the same prozessor speed is slightly better than the PII. The
>>fastes program on the K6 is Rebel. Genius 5 and Shredder 2.0 are a little bit
>>slower.
>>
>>Best regards
>>Kai
>
>the more they argue that fritz is disadvantaged on k6, the more they commit that
>all other programs are disadvantages on intel-cpu's in sweden.
>
>So their EVIDENCE for disadvantage against fritz turns into disadvantages of all
>other programs on intel cpu's.
>
>I see no sense in this kindergarden-game.
>When fritz is faster on intel, than it is unfair to give all other programs
>intel, when they run better on k6.
>
>What is fair ?!
>Difficult to say. IMO k6 or intel, when fritz loses it has to do with the
>program and not the cpu.
>Today fritz5 has to play against caissa.
>Although it is "disadvantaged", i hope it can win.
>If it will not win :-))) it should maybe better try to play draughts or go.



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