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Subject: Re: Ruffian?

Author: Uri Blass

Date: 02:22:59 11/28/02

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On November 28, 2002 at 05:01:29, Ingo Bauer wrote:

>Hi Martin
>
>>I think Nxf7 is winning, although Ruffian didn't really see the win:
>>
>>1.Nxh7 Kxh7 2.Qh5+ Kg8 3.Bxg6 Qe7 4.Re3 Bxd4 5.Rh3 Bxf2+ 6.Kh1 Qg7 (pv at
>>depth 15.01)
>>and now (instead of Bh7+ with a draw) Bh6! Qe5 Qg4! wins.
>
>Even worse! Ruffian is not seeing the win even with the right line. Here is
>ruffians analysis in your given position.
>
>[D]r4rk1/pp1b2q1/1nn1p1B1/3p3Q/8/2N4R/PP3bPP/R1B4K w - -
>
>  9.00	 0:01 	+3.15 	7.Bh6 Qe5 8.Qg4 Qd4 9.Bh7+ Kf7 10.Rf3+ Ke7 11.Qg5+ Qf6
>12.Rxf6 Rxf6 (1.773.662) 1323.6
> 10.01	 0:02 	+3.50++	7.Bh6 (3.052.884) 1310.2
> 10.01	 0:09 	+4.18 	7.Bh6 Qh8 8.Be8 Bd4 9.Rg3+ Bg7 10.Rxg7+ Qxg7 11.Bxg7 Rfxe8
>12.Qh8+ Kf7 13.Rf1+ Ke7 14.Qh4+ Kd6 15.Qf6 (14.243.166) 1432.9
> 11.01	 0:18 	+4.00 	7.Bh6 Qh8 8.Be8 Bd4 9.Rg3+ Bg7 10.Rxg7+ Qxg7 11.Bxg7 Rfxe8
>12.Qh8+ Kf7 13.Rf1+ Ke7 14.Qh4+ Kd6 15.Qf4+ e5 16.Qf7 (26.834.161) 1427.3
> 12.01	 0:27 	+4.35++	7.Bh6 (37.868.399) 1396.3
> 12.01	 0:44 	+5.36 	7.Bh6 Qh8 8.Be8 Bd4 9.Rg3+ Bg7 10.Rxg7+ Qxg7 11.Bxg7 Kxg7
>12.Qg6+ Kh8 13.Bxd7 Nxd7 14.Qh6+ Kg8 15.Qxe6+ Rf7 16.Nxd5 Raf8 (63.287.943)
>1407.3
> 13.01	 1:11 	+5.71++	7.Bh6 (97.812.423) 1363.9
> 13.01	 1:46 	+5.74 	7.Bh6 Qh8 8.Be8 Bd4 9.Rg3+ Bg7 10.Rxg7+ Qxg7 11.Bxg7 Kxg7
>12.Qg6+ Kh8 13.Bxd7 Nxd7 14.Qh6+ Kg8 15.Qxe6+ Rf7 16.Rf1 Nd8 17.Qxd5
>(148.653.499) 1401.9
> 13.02	 2:32 	+7.07 	7.Bh7+ Kh8 8.Bh6 Qxh7 9.Bg7+ Kxg7 10.Qxh7+ Kf6 11.Rf3+ Ke5
>12.Qg7+ Kd6 13.Rxf8 Be3 14.Rxa8 Nxa8 15.Qg3+ Ke7 16.Qxe3 Nb6 (212.148.079)
>1392.4
> 14.01	 3:15 	+6.88 	7.Bh7+ Kh8 8.Bh6 Qxh7 9.Bg7+ Kxg7 10.Qxh7+ Kf6 11.Rf3+ Ke5
>12.Qg7+ Kd6 13.Rxf8 Bd4 14.Nb5+ Kc5 15.Nxd4 Rxf8 16.Nb3+ Kb5 17.Qxf8 Ka6
>(274.619.158) 1403.6
> 15.01	 5:26 	+7.23++	7.Bh7+ (469.904.381) 1438.5
> 15.01	 6:56 	+7.46 	7.Bh7+ Kh8 8.Bh6 Qxh7 9.Bg7+ Kxg7 10.Qxh7+ Kf6 11.Rf3+ Ke5
>12.Qg7+ Kd6 13.Rxf8 Bd4 14.Nb5+ Kc5 15.Nxd4 Rxf8 16.Nb3+ Kb5 17.Qxf8 Nc4 18.Qa8
>(594.257.440) 1425.2
>best move: Bg6-h7 time: 8:43.252 min  n/s: 1.469.546  CPU 99.0%  nodes:
>768.954.990
>
>First it considers Bh6 but after a few Minutes it switches ti Bh7 (original
>line) with a score and variant witch is defenately a dead game for black!
>Now the question is why Ruffian considers the position as 0.00 in its original
>analysis.
>
>Bye Ingo

The answer is simple
It did not search deep enough

5...Bxf2+ is bad and ruffian has no problem to avoid it

You should never follow a long line in ruffian's analysis and decide that it is
the right line.

Uri



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