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Subject: Re: A (potentially) interesting position....

Author: John Merlino

Date: 17:21:12 11/29/02

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On November 29, 2002 at 16:42:56, Mike S. wrote:

>On November 29, 2002 at 12:53:05, John Merlino wrote:
>
>>[D]8/2q1p1k1/3pP1p1/2pPNpNp/2P2B2/1p1B2K1/1P1R4/r7 w - - 0 42
>>
>>CM9000, on a humble P3-733, finds 42.Nxg6! in 21 seconds. How do other engines
>>fare?
>
>Analysis by Nimzo 8 (P3/700, 64 MB hash):
>
>1.Nd7 Qa7 2.Rf2 Qa2 3.Kh2
>  ±  (0.87)   Depth: 1/11   00:00:00  58kN
>  ±  (0.76)   Depth: 5/17   00:00:00  58kN
>1.Nc6 Ra8 2.Nf7 Re8 3.Rf2 Kh7 4.Bg5 h4+
>  ±  (0.77)   Depth: 5/17   00:00:00  58kN
>  +-  (1.62)   Depth: 10/25   00:00:07  2694kN
>1.Ngf7 Kh7 2.Nxg6 Rg1+ 3.Kh2 Rxg6 4.Bxf5 Kg7 5.Re2 Rg4 6.Bxg4
>  +-  (1.63)   Depth: 10/25   00:00:13  5667kN
>  +-  (2.34)   Depth: 11/26   00:00:43  19670kN
>1.Nxg6 Rg1+ 2.Kh2 Rg4 3.Rf2 Kxg6 4.Bxf5+ Kg7 5.Bxg4 hxg4 6.Rg2
>  +-  (2.35)   Depth: 11/26   00:00:46  21624kN
>  +-  (3.21)   Depth: 13/29   00:01:23  38980kN
>
>It looks that transpositions are involved here, which would mean it's not a very
>good testing position (no single best move): 1.Ngf7 threats Bh6+ and seems to
>create the same mate net; Nxg6 can be played later, like in some of the Yace
>variants Dieter has posted . (I didn't analyse deeply.)
>
>After 1.Nxg6 Kxg6? 2.Kh2 (as you mentioned), Black has no defense against the
>threat 3.Rg2 and 4.Nf7+ Kf6 5.Bg5+ Kg7 6.Bxe7+ Kh7 7.Bxf5#
>
>Regards,
>Mike Scheidl

Thanks for that analysis. I wondered if Nxg6 could be played later or if it was
necessary immediately. But, according to your output above, doesn't Nimzo decide
on Nxg6 after 46 seconds? I would be curious to see what its output is after a
few more minutes, since you appeared to stop the analysis after less than a
minute and a half. Does Nimzo eventually switch to Ngf7 like Yace does?

jm



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