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Subject: Re: difficult position for most amateurs

Author: Johan Melin

Date: 02:21:45 11/30/02

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On November 29, 2002 at 17:22:20, Will Singleton wrote:

>[D]2rr3k/1p4p1/1P2b2p/p1Bnpp1q/8/Q1P2PP1/P6P/RB3RK1 b - - 0 26
>
>Solution times (amd 1.6ghz):
>
>Yace       not in 5 min
>Crafty     not in 5 min
>Aristarch  3:48 min
>Gromit     3:12 min
>Ruffian    44 sec
>CM9000     5 sec
>
>Seems like the strong amateurs are using pruning techniques that cause the
>solution to be missed.  Ruffian and Yace have no problem, perhaps they don't use
>null move in the way others do?
>
>How does Chess Tiger do on this?
>
>Will

KnightDreamer on 733MHz PIII takes 14 seconds:

  9   50  758 2494348  h8g8 b1c2 d5c3 a3c3 d8d5 c2b3 c8c5 c3e3
                       f5f4 g3f4 (329.1k)
Failhigh Nf4 4164545
  9   61 1412 4735765  ++ d5f4 (335.4k)
  9   77 1686 5665106  ++ d5f4 (336.0k)
  9  109 1917 6423024  ++ d5f4 (335.1k)
  9  173 2367 7929781  ++ d5f4 (335.0k)
  9  232 3125 10500363  d5f4 h2h4 d8d2 f1f2 f4h3 g1g2 h3f2 c5f2
                        e6d5 c3c4 (336.0k)
CV(0.24): Nf4 gxf4? Rd2! Bf2 Qxf3! null none

I think some engines have problems with the line:
  Nf4 gxf4 Rd2 Bf2 Qxf3 null Bd5 null
After that line most engines will hit q-search. If it can't see Qg2# in that
q-search, it will need a large search depth.

/Johan Melin




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