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Subject: Re: Give it time

Author: Uri Blass

Date: 22:24:57 12/02/02

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On December 03, 2002 at 00:49:35, Les Fernandez wrote:

>On December 02, 2002 at 16:41:16, Uri Blass wrote:
>
>>On December 02, 2002 at 16:14:35, Les Fernandez wrote:
>>
>>>As hardware speed increases, better algorithms for pruning and faster search
>>>routines get better we will start to see some of this imagination all of us
>>>would love to see now.  As search depths go deeper more and more positional
>>>effects will be realized since positional play is related to how deep and
>>>thorough your search is.
>>>
>>>Les
>>
>>No
>>
>>The problem is not that the program does not play the best move but that the
>>program does not play the move that is considered by the player as better.
>
>Hi Uri,
>
>I think I misinterpreted the imagination part.  To me it meant that a chess
>engine could produce a series of moves, that had it been a human player, would
>have been considered fascinating and ingenius.
>>
>>After it prefers another winning move the player starts to complain that
>>computer have no imagination.
>
>Once computers can search deep enough I dont believe that the player can even
>understand the complexity of the decided move.

I believe that it already happens.


  I agree that perhaps due to the
>player not understanding the move the player may consider it unimaginative but
>keep in mind that it may be past the horizon of the human player.  Through the
>years there have been many grandmasters whose play was considered stale and
>boring and we never gave that much thought.  There will come a point (50,100 or
>200 years) where computers will be able to just out depth humans.  The bottom
>line is, whether its boring or exciting, that its not how it plays the game its
>the results that count.
>
>Just my .02 worth.
>
>ps how are you making out with your chess engine?

I plan to continue to make progress by better search rules.
I believe that better pruning rules can help movei to be significantly faster.

I believe that programs search too big trees and it is possible to reduce them
by at least 90% if you make the right observations.

Uri



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