Author: Bertil Eklund
Date: 15:25:39 12/06/02
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On December 05, 2002 at 23:41:42, John Merlino wrote: >On December 05, 2002 at 21:43:04, Rex wrote: > >>On December 05, 2002 at 20:54:06, John Merlino wrote: >> >>>On December 05, 2002 at 20:26:05, Rex wrote: >>> >>>>I am a big Tiger fan but cant stand it when the field is NOT played evenly. WHY >>>>and WHERE is CHESSMASTER9000? I am about, and think I will just go out and buy >>>>it. If Ubi Software did not submit it then why. I just hope CM9000 was not >>>>played because of some stupid reason. If so then we really know where CM9000 >>>>stands in this list!! >>> >>>First of all, there is no "submission" process. The SSDF has the sole decision >>>on what programs to test and on what hardware to test them. >>> >>>Secondly, the SSDF is basically just a group of guys who are devoting MANY MANY >>>hours of their free time to creating this list. Most of the programs that they >>>test have some form of autotesting capability, so all the testers have to do is >>>press "OK" and the computers take it from there. Chessmaster, on the other hand, >>>has no autotesting capability. To use the program with its default opening book >>>and De Koning format EGTBs, means that all moves from CM must be input MANUALLY. >>>This, obviously, is a big hassle, and is much more time-consuming. >>> >>>It is possible that the SSDF has already started to (slowly) test CM9000, and >>>the program will show up on a future SSDF list once it plays the required >>>minimum of 100 games (just think if YOU had to manually play 100 comp games at >>>tournament time controls!). >>> >>>The other problem, which may not be a problem at all, but I really couldn't say >>>(any more), is what settings should be used for The King engine. I would say >>>that this is now completely in Johan's hands. If he asks the SSDF to test with >>>non-default settings, then they might agree to do that, but I'm not sure. >>> >>>Either way, the latest version of CM always takes a few SSDF cycles to reach >>>their list. So, be patient.... >>> >>>jm >> >>I am not sure about the MANUALLY thing John. Cant CM9000 run under Winboard. >> >>http://www.aarontay.per.sg/Winboard/Winboard4.html#[D.3 >> >>There has to be a way to get this to work with auto move. I do understand >>people are devoting many hours of their free time for this project and I DO >>appreciate this. Most importantly I like the fact that programmers seem to >>agree that the SSDF list is the benchmark. >> >>Surely setting up a program that will work with a null modem cable or UCI >>support or something!! Cant be that hard for programmers to include into their >>software. Or maybe there is a reason for this...... > >The problem is that the SSDF tests (or, at least, INTENDS to test) programs >using their default settings in their default GUI (if applicable). The King >cannot be used with its default opening book outside of the CM GUI. Therefore, >it would be misleading to put "Chessmaster 9000" on the SSDF list if the program >was tested with an opening book that is not available in the program, or with >personality settings that are not the default (and also may not be available in >the program). > >Perhaps the SSDF will make an exception this time around, but they never have >done so before when it came to Chessmaster -- and I don't blame them. It would >certainly make things easier, but it would/could cause severe confusion and/or >annoyances when people couldn't reproduce their results, or when programmers of >other engines say "why can't MY program use this other opening book too??" > >jm Hi! Everyone in the SSDF really "loves" the King-engine and maybee the best chess-programmer of all the "pack" but as I understand it Johann has made his decision to sell the program as a "game" and not a chess-product. So you have to understand that for the moment because of job, family and so on we don´t have the time to play manual games with Chessmaster and what we all want Chessmaster/Utzinger. I guess he plays his program with autoplayer against all other programs , so he knows very well the strength of the program. Bertil
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