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Subject: Re: Hash Collision

Author: David Rasmussen

Date: 08:42:54 12/07/02

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On December 07, 2002 at 11:25:44, Robert Hyatt wrote:

>>
>>I hadn't either until now. But I am pretty sure that Bob sais something about
>>this happening once in 100 games or so.
>
>That was an estimate.  Think about the math.  You are collapsing some 2^168
>positions into 2^64 hash space.  That is a _huge_ aliasing problem.  So the
>probability of getting duplicates is not just a probability, it is an absolute
>certainty...

I know that. I am not saying that it will not happen. I know it will. But I am
asking about the frequency. When doing math on these beasts people tend to just
assume that everything is random. It isn't. The subspace visited by a 12-ply
search with a 64 MB hashtable is not the same as the whole game tree. As I said:
we don't care if there are signature collisions between two positions that are
"far" from eachother. The probablility for it happening within the history of a
seach with a hash table, is far less (apparently). And it is not simple to
estimate how much. So I was asking about people's experiences of this frequency,
because I didn't believe such naive reasoning anyway. If the theory isn't
corresponding with experience, fix the theory.

/David



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