Author: Bob Durrett
Date: 05:57:04 12/09/02
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On December 09, 2002 at 02:45:43, Sandro Necchi wrote: >On December 08, 2002 at 05:12:47, Uri Blass wrote: > >>On December 08, 2002 at 03:07:30, Helmut Conrady wrote: >> >>>On December 08, 2002 at 02:04:35, Sandro Necchi wrote: >>> >>>>On December 07, 2002 at 22:19:13, Tim Blankenship wrote: >>>> >>>>>havent heard but 1 or 2 things about it..is it suppose to be strong or does >>>>>anyone know...thx >>>> >>>>My best guess for the new Shredder 7 is about 50 points stronger. I wrote this >>>>in CCC. >>>> >>>>Talking with other testers I got this confirm by them, too, >>> >>>Yes, thats right, Sandro: >>> >>>E.g.:I have done a test match Fritz 8-Shredder 7 >>> >>>conditions: >>> >>>Fritz 8_GUI >>>Athlon 1700+ >>>50 games >>>no TBs >>>10´+4`´ >>>Powerbooks 2002 (varietety of play: max; minimum of games: 10). >>> >>>29: 21 for Shredder (+23 -15 =12), = 58%. >>> >>>The other results are very impressive, too. After some hundred games Shredder 7 >>>is within the 95%-margin stronger than Deep Fritz 7 >>> >>> >>>I predict Shredder will top the next SSDF-list. >>> >>>Helmut >> >>I am interested to know the results of shredder in tactical test suites like the >>GCP test suite. > >Hi Uri, >> >>Is shredder better than other commercial programs in tactics? > >I have not made specific test/comparison, but only looked at the played games. >What I can say is that Stefan did a huge work on the engine in all fields like >speed up, chess knowledge add, new settings and new search. Also the selective >search was increased. >My impression is that it is tactically faster than 6.0 a lot and that loves >complicated tactical positions. >However the most improvements are on positional understanding combined with >tactics. I do not doubt that it is true that the program has positional understanding. But, to me, the interesting question is: HOW does one determine &/or verify that a program has positional understanding? What is the method for measuring this understanding and how to come up with a measure? Bob D. >Very strong is the endgame. I think much better than previous versions. >Of course other improvements are related in better positions received from the >opening book. > >>Is it better than Ruffianor or Knightdreamer in solving the GCP test suite >>(You can see results of knightdreamer in the knightdreamer homepage)? > >I don't know this program. >> >>Uri > >Ciao >Sandro
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