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Subject: Re: Resuts of the Dutch open championship

Author: Uri Blass

Date: 09:39:32 12/10/02

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On December 10, 2002 at 12:07:19, Tony Werten wrote:

>On December 10, 2002 at 09:59:56, Uri Blass wrote:
>
>>On December 10, 2002 at 09:20:02, Nicolas GUIBERT wrote:
>>
>>>>hello, the size of the evaluation of napoleon is only limited by the
>>>>time i spent to it. I have 40 pages of evaluation patterns and ideas
>>>>from Marcel to the left of this keyboard. For this tournament i could
>>>>only implemet page 1 and 2. So i added 40 new patterns/bugfixes to
>>>>the evaluation for last tournament the 2 evenings before the blitz
>>>>tournament.
>>>
>>>Good luck then for these 40 pages. I also have a long, long, long, never-ending,
>>>to-do list... :o)))
>>>
>>>>In C code expressed it is in total let me check:
>>>>
>>>>4000 source code lines.
>>>>
>>>>That ain't much IMHO, knowing i have a multiple of that in DIEP.
>>>
>>>How much in Diep ?
>>>4000 is indeed way insufficient.
>>>
>>>>But it is probably more than most draughts programs (and way more
>>>>than most chess programs).
>>>
>>>Really ? How much do you think it is for other top level chess programs ?
>>
>>He talked only about most program and not about most top program.
>>
>>The latest version of movei(that is not freeware) is not a top program but I
>>believe that it is better than most chess programs(there are a lot of free chess
>>programs and it is hard to know if it is better than most of the chess programs
>>because the question is what is the level of the private programs)
>>
>>It has only about 200 lines of C codes that are used for evaluation.
>>I am interested more in search improvements then in evaluation improvements.
>
>You're missing something important. Evaluation improvements are search
>improvements as well.
>
>Tony

You are right that if the evaluation is improved programs should see the same
by a smaller tree but I still believe that there are a lot of ways to improve
the search that are not about changing the evaluation function.

Uri



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