Author: Vincent Diepeveen
Date: 09:10:48 12/11/02
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On December 11, 2002 at 07:44:43, Sune Fischer wrote: What i meant to say Sune is that Uri doesn't look further ahead than a politician. He has 200 lines now, with more stubbornness than the entire CCC together he then concludes that 2000 is enough. then he has 2000 lines and he has to get shot down and lose game after game before he will conclude that he needs 3000. After that he will conclude 4000. But he'll never conclude the right thing at once. Even research from 1950 he will skip. It says that grandmasters know about 100000 patterns. Now we can discuss whether those 100000 is a real 100000 or a human 100000 which means that for the current computers it is more like a million than 100k patterns. But it sure isn't 200 lines :) That Uri could conclude of course as he saw it himself, but even toying with Shredder doesn't get him to better conclusions. I wonder why with 2000 rating he misses that all games in the world top computerchess aren't dominated by tactics at all, but decided by anything *but* tactics. Of course the too weak last few participants not taken into account of the world champs 2002. I remember the game Diep - (some american program in the first round) which even made a 2 ply mistake. Of course you need to see those tactics, but even the thing from Uri should see those tactics. I wonder how he can conclude that he just loses tactical and that 2000 lines should fix everything for everyone. Saying 'might' is not a good excuse. I'm not a lawyer. I see how people say statements. Just covering your ass from lawyer viewpoint is not what a discussion group is meant to be. You say a statement and having an escape route is not what was meant here. The statement as i read it was that 2000 lines is enough. Fritz with 2000 lines of course is called fritz5.16 and doesn't make a chance in any world champs from 2001 to the next so many years. Just keep a match fritz5.16 versus shredder. remove the games that got decided on book. You'll see a clear picture. And it won't be tactics at all. Every idiot can see that, a 2000 player should. If not then i don't know how to call the person behind that 2000 player, but it won't be positive words. Best regards, Vincent >On December 10, 2002 at 19:23:21, Vincent Diepeveen wrote: > >>On December 10, 2002 at 19:20:46, Vincent Diepeveen wrote: >> >>>On December 10, 2002 at 18:52:57, Uri Blass wrote: >>> >>>how can a 2000 rated *ever* say that with 2000 lines of evaluation >>>code you can get world champion. Even in assembly fritz doesn't >>>manage to get it that small. >> >>My assumption is that you find 2000 lines that much >>compared to your current 200 lines that you are simply too >>stubborn to be capable to imagine that 2000 lines won't >>help you much further either in the professional/strong amateur >>league. > >I believe you misunderstand Uri completely. >I think he means "it is (theoreticly) possible" not "it is easy". > >Chess is primarily tactics, if you have near _optimal_ extensions and near >_optimal_ pruning rules, then you could probably get those extra plies on your >opponent and could win WCCC using tactics. > >My guess is that Fritz would still be mighty strong even if they had to limit >their eval to 2000 lines. > >-S. >>Best regards, >>Vincent >>
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