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Subject: Re: List is crafty (with a small c) (not correct! crafty is Hinterlist!)

Author: Rolf Tueschen

Date: 05:08:59 12/12/02

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On December 12, 2002 at 07:25:46, Mike Hood wrote:

>Just a little bit of information for those who don't speak German. The new free
>engine for the Chessbase interface is called "List". This is the German
>translation of "crafty" as a noun, ie "craftiness" (is that a word?)

No, it's better trick, ruse, cunning, trickery.

But if  I search for a translation of crafty I get (if I re-translate the then
German terms):

(also the above) cunning, fraudulent (in a jur. sense)

So let me explain the main difference in the meaning of (in German):

listig / List (as noun) and

hinterlistig / Hinterlist

The basic difference in crafty to "List" is the 'cheating' intention! At least
in the German translation!

To be 'listig' just means as I said "tricky", but tricky doesn't imply cheating
as such. So if you use the word 'hinterlistig' in German then it's crystal clear
that you want to cheat or betray someone. I don't know enough English to sense
the perhaps different versions of 'cunning'. Perhaps you have that double sense
too. Of course in German, if you say 'listig' it is not very far away to the
assumption that you want to betray.



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