Author: Rolf Tueschen
Date: 05:14:06 12/13/02
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On December 12, 2002 at 22:56:08, Mike S. wrote: >On December 12, 2002 at 18:55:38, Rolf Tueschen wrote: > >>On December 12, 2002 at 18:22:58, Mike S. wrote: >> >>>On December 12, 2002 at 18:17:14, Mike S. wrote: >>> >>>>>(...) >>>>Although I assume it wasn't meant when giving the name to the chess engine, >>>>"List" in german has also the other (smiple) meaning of list, like in >>>>checklist, IOW. a series of written lines. >>> >>>Correct is "Liste" though, in German (while ...list is used when English words >>>have been adpoted, like Checklist which may also appear as Checkliste). > >>No way! 'List' in the meaning of Liste is _not_ a German word. Don't talk such >>nonsense please. You can't simply say well it's taken from the English. Because >>then it remains an English word and does not become a German word. I know that >>you will get this with a minute of deep thought. > >That's why I wrote, 6 lines above, correct is "Liste". > >(?!) That is a typical CSS (= Computerschach&Spiele) (Frederic Friedel & Dieter Steinwender) confusion. And you are a good example here. In short its logic goes like this: "Schachfan": 2x2=4, "Scheidl": In German it could also be 5, "Scheidl": but better is 4, "Schachfan": No way! 2x2=4, "Scheidl": But that was it what I said two lines above!, "Schachfan": No, you said, 30 lines above that it could also be 5, "The Redaktion of CSS": Schachfan please call the redaktion. (...) Schachfan, we must throw you out because you disturbed the peace here in our forum!, "Scheidl": So, what we have now is that under certain very specific conditions 2x2=5, but normally under tournament conditions it is 4, that is what I always said and nobody did ever contradict me. Or is there someone who wants to talk with me...!? Question for you: are you aware of the general dishonesty of such logic? You repeat your old, and false, claim about the word "List" and say that it _could_ also be understood as "listing", but you corrected that in-between and said that "correct" is... But I say your interpretation never existed in reality, in public, except in your mind. Of course it is possible that for _you_, being familiar with these anglicisms, "List" is also a known and sound German word. But that exactly is wrong. Now we have _exactly_ this psychological confusion you (with the CSS-Redaktion) like to solve with your known remedies of censorship. You as their spin-doctor are the main responsible. The others are just willing helpers. It's interesting that this could only be shown here in an English speaking environment. In German you are much more careful and in fact I never read such a nonsense from your side. The point here is that nobody forced you to participate (when we only look at the lingual problem) but the the trap (or red herring) here was the 'List program' that is actually presented by ChessBase. And that was for you the obligation to comment. So we have discovered a new proof for the linkage between ChessBase and CSS, which is no news because Fred Friedel is in both (!) the chief. The most interesting aspect in this little outing is the fact that institutions and their representatives, from a certain devlopment on, begin to confuse reality with their own company's PR or self-understanding. And exactly that happened here with you, the most sensational of it is the fact that the reason is so ridiculous. Everybody who does not stand under the forced influence of the company is rolling on the floor already from laughing but you still are repeating the nonensense a second time. Well, that could be called final state. You are no longer able to differentiate between your own opinions and reality. And what is the strangest aspect? It is nonsense but you try to put it into the heads of the readers with bigot determination. That doesn't change the fact that your contributions are usually highly interesting. Rolf Tueschen P.S. Because of the topic here, let me make clear that to me it is very important to see that the hosting company exerts an extreme amount of reserve regarding the possible misuse of this forum and that is the main difference to the German CSS/ChessBase forum. The main point is not the difference in politics of pseudonyms, the difference is that also under pseudonyms you won't find here contemptuous hidden influence on the readers. Perhaps this is exactly the freedom of speech the Americans have in difference to us Germans/ or Austrians... Here I enjoy a culture of the absence of such mean manipulating. For sure this is also thanks to the moderation board. Thanks so much. > >Obviously the german word List makes more sense as an engine's name than the >english word... OTOH, an engine is a List(e) of program commands. The name >allows two interpretations which make some sense (to me). > >Regards, >M.Scheidl
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