Author: Pavel Blokhine
Date: 05:37:27 12/13/02
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On December 13, 2002 at 03:24:30, Uri Blass wrote: >On December 13, 2002 at 01:31:29, John Merlino wrote: > >>On December 13, 2002 at 00:58:37, Uri Blass wrote: >> >>>On December 12, 2002 at 22:09:48, John Merlino wrote: >>> >>>>On December 12, 2002 at 21:05:54, Art Basham wrote: >>>> >>>>>Yes, I know all the moves are checks... >>>>>therfore it should be "very easy" to solve..; >>>>>but why is it that some of the chess programs and engines >>>>>that I have tested show only 1. Re4+ >>>>>and that leads to no mate at all...?! >>>>> >>>>>Of course, the correct move is Rg4+...etc. >>>>>regards >>>>>Art.... >>>> >>>>Bugs? >>>> >>>>Well, perhaps not. White is 8 points behind in material, and Re4+ leads to an >>>>obvious draw by repetition. Programs that do not see the mate see this draw as a >>>>very good outcome given the difference in material. >>>> >>>>Rg4+ leads to a long mate (31 plies). Re4+ leads to an easy short draw. All >>>>other moves lose. Programs that cannot see that far ahead are definitely going >>>>to choose the draw. >>>> >>>>jm >>> >>>Not exactly. >>>programs may choose Rg4+ for material reasons >>> >>>Movei can see material advantage with Rg4+ before seeing mate >>> >>>3340350 <first : 8 1 121 194761 g7g4 >>>3340400 <first : 8 30 121 195056 g7g4 >>>3341010 <first : 8 533 187 300545 g7g4 a4b5 g4b4 b5a5 b4e4 a5b5 f3d4 b5a4 d4e2 >>>a4b5 e2c3 b5a5 c3a2 a5b5 a2c3 b5a5 c3e2 a5b5 e2d4 b5a4 d4f3 a4b5 e4b4 b5a5 b4h4 >>>a5b5 h4h1 >>>3341010 <first : 8 533 187 306401 g7g4 a4b5 g4b4 b5a5 b4e4 a5b5 f3d4 b5a4 d4e2 >>>a4b5 e2c3 b5a5 c3a2 a5b5 a2c3 b5a5 c3e2 a5b5 e2d4 b5a4 d4f3 a4b5 e4b4 b5a5 b4h4 >>>a5b5 h4h1 >>>3341500 <first : 9 533 236 392421 g7g4 a4b5 g4b4 b5a5 b4e4 a5b5 f3d4 b5a4 d4e2 >>>a4b5 e2c3 b5a5 c3a2 a5b5 a2c3 b5a5 c3e2 a5b5 e2d4 b5a4 d4f3 a4b5 e4b4 b5a5 b4h4 >>>a5b5 h4h1 >>>3343100 <first : 9 533 396 662512 g7g4 a4b5 g4b4 b5a5 b4e4 a5b5 f3d4 b5a4 d4e2 >>>a4b5 e2c3 b5a5 c3a2 a5b5 a2c3 b5a5 c3e2 a5b5 e2d4 b5a4 d4f3 a4b5 e4b4 b5a5 b4h4 >>>a5b5 h4h1 >>>3344740 <first : 10 9969 560 962845 g7g4 a4b5 g4b4 b5a5 b4e4 a5b5 f3d4 b5a4 d4e2 >>>a4b5 e2c3 b5a5 c3a2 a5b5 a2c3 b5a5 c3e2 a5b5 e2d4 b5a4 d4f3 a4b5 e4b4 b5a5 b4b3 >>>a5a4 b3b4 a4a5 b4b2 a5a4 >>>3348750 <first : 10 9969 961 1646625 g7g4 a4b5 g4b4 b5a5 b4e4 a5b5 f3d4 b5a4 >>>d4e2 a4b5 e2c3 b5a5 c3a2 a5b5 a2c3 b5a5 c3e2 a5b5 e2d4 b5a4 d4f3 a4b5 e4b4 b5a5 >>>b4b3 a5a4 b3b4 a4a5 b4b2 a5a4 >>> >>>Uri >> >>Is it truly a material advantage that Movei is seeing? Because even after the >>full mating sequence, White is still down 3 points of material. >> >>jm > >Yes > >At depth 8,9 it is material > >[D]1b6/4R3/rp6/k2K4/1R6/pp3N2/1p1B4/7q w - - 0 13 > >In this position that is in the main line movei see 13.Rh4+ Kb5 14.Rxh1 insead >of the slightly longer >mate sequaence > >Uri Something is funny. Fritz 7 plays Rg4 quickly but then all i get is a series of futile checks untill a draw by repetition is reach. WHat is even funnier is that indeed, the mate in 16 is annouced within a few seconds only. Can someone enlighten me a little?
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