Author: Robert Hyatt
Date: 19:34:34 12/18/02
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On December 18, 2002 at 20:57:37, Rolf Tueschen wrote: >In a new interview M. Feist, programmer of the Fritz gui said the following. And >I simply am shortly before explosion and rofl. > >Feist said (after he had explained alpha-beta): nullmoving is with the following >reflection: you look if you can win advantages after you had made two moves in a >row, without the opponent making a move; if then this doesn't lead to advantage >THEN the starting (first of the two) move was crap! > >Ok, so far the quote translated roughly by heart. > >Hint to the disbelievers under my fellow programmer experts: > >So, you would bet with me that I couldn't show you a position where the >"nullmove" - although leading to advantage with a second move for free - would >get into disadvantage in the longer run? Is exactly this meant with nullmove >pruning? And what if that is crap in terms of real chess? And what if exactly in >positional positions this could be shown? Would you still be faqithful to >nullmove pruning or would you start to program in direction of more knowledge? > >Second hint: of course you can continue to program the way you can win against >more than enough weaker masters, but is Bahrain not a real shock for you too, >when Kramnik quite easily knocked out DEEP FRITZ simply with superior chess >understanding? Do you really believe that you can gamble your inborn weakness >away (lack of knowledge) because 98% of the players are not able to calculate >exactly and or have too little numbers of chunk knowledge? > >(I will stop here, otherwise it becomes confusing.) > >With thanks already for any helping answers. Could youplease add nice diagrams >with positions? > >Rolf Tueschen Here is the point. I will play you 100 games. And in _each_ game, at a place of my choice, I get to make two moves in a row. I believe I can win that match 100-0. If I am in a position where I make two moves in a row and _still_ can't do any damage to your position, my position sucks badly...
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