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Subject: Re: This is the best way to upgrade thru Pricewatch for $419.00

Author: Aaron Gordon

Date: 08:06:45 12/19/02

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On December 19, 2002 at 09:03:09, Jorge Pichard wrote:

>On December 19, 2002 at 02:11:38, Aaron Gordon wrote:
>
>>On December 19, 2002 at 01:53:58, Rick Terry wrote:
>>
>>>I am about to upgrade from an Athlon thunderbird 1000 to a Pentium 4  2.2 gig.
>>> Can I expect to see a Huge increase in Nodes per Sec? How does the Pentium 4
>>>processor compare to AMD in terms of Chess?
>>
>>P4's are pretty slow as far as chess goes..
>>http://speedycpu.dyndns.org/crafty/craftybench4.jpg
>
>This is a combo MotherboardAthlon XP 2700+ with cpu and Heatsink etc....
>
>MSI
>Info...
>
>ONLINE ORDER ONLY -
>KT3 Ultra2-6380E, RETAIL BOX 2 Yr. Warr. VIA® KT333, VIA® VT8233A, 1 CNR,1 AGP
>4X. with cpu - ATHLON XP 2700+,(2.17Ghz) 333MHz, AX2700DMT3C w/ Heatsink & Fan,
>complete combo set.
>(Part - BZBP#KT3-6380E-2700+)
> Price: $407
>
>Ship:  $10.00 - 11.84
>Updated:12/18, 9:30PM
> $418.84 BZBOYZ.com
>Info...
>
>877-429-2699
>562-997-0992-- P.O.'s accepted
>
>CA
>MSI
>Info...
>
>ONLINE ORDER ONLY -
>KT3 Ultra2-6380E, RETAIL BOX 2 Yr. Warr. VIA® KT333, VIA® VT8233A, AGP 4x and
>PCI, 1 CNR,1 AGP 4X. with cpu - ATHLON XP 2700+,(2.17Ghz) 333MHz, AX2700DMT3C w/
>Heatsink & Fan, complete combo set.
>(Part - KT3-6380E@2700+)
> Price: $407
>
>Ship:  $10.00 - 11.84
>Updated:12/18, 9:30PM
> $418.84 PartsPc.com
>Info...
>
>866-427-9283
>562-427-9284-- P.O.'s accepted
>
>CA

I'd prefer a quality board like the Epox 8K9a. All of the MSI boards I've
seen/been given have basically been as useful as a large clay pigeon.

The AthlonXP 2400+ is only $159 and at 2GHz (stock speed) it'll beat anything
Intel has out there in chess. Couple that with an Epox 8K9A and the biggest
heatsink available with the highest output fan you could imagine and the total
comes out to:
$289.

Also, despite all the whining about overclocking not being safe and you might
nuke your block and etc. as long as you don't run the cpu over 60C for any
extended period of time and keep the voltage under a certain level (depends on
the chip) and you'll be absolutely fine.

I've overclocked every cpu I've ever owned since 1990 and haven't had ANY
problems related to overclocking. I've done many, many lower end systems but
here have been my main systems:

5x86-133 @ 160MHz, Celeron 300a @ 644MHz, Celeron 366 @ 735MHz, Celeron 566 @
1202MHz, Athlon Thunderbird 1GHz @ 1.7GHz, and now my AthlonXP 1.6GHz (1900+) @
1.83GHz.

I have sold of all those systems but three. Still running the Tbird 1GHz but
only at 1.5GHz and air-cooling @ 2.1v vcore and the Celeron-2 566 @ only 1004MHz
w/ air-cooling at 2.0v vcore. If anyone wants pictures I have a few of my old
Tbird and Celeron-2 systems.. the Celeron-2 running negative 38 celsius with
about 1cm of ICE around the cpu. :) Of course I didn't run that way 24/7, it was
only when I was taking pictures. Normally I had it fully insulated as to prevent
massive condensation. Anyway, with that said you could get the 2400+ (Tbred-B
core) and overclock the crap out of it :). Push it to 2.4GHz or so on a
200fsb(400DDR) and it would annihilate any P4 on the planet.

If you REALLY want a value overclock box just get an 8K9A and a 1700+ Tbred-A
from www.newegg.com. :) You'll be able to knock that $57 chip up to 2.1GHz. If
you figure the best board, best heatsink and the 1700+/Tbred-A..
Epox 8K9a (Fast board & can overclock higher than just about any board) - $79
AthlonXP 1700+ Tbred-A @ 2.1GHz - $57
SLK-800 with 80mm 84cfm tornado fan - $50
Total: $186 for a screaming system...



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