Author: Dadi Jonsson
Date: 11:32:32 12/19/02
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On December 19, 2002 at 14:05:23, Andreas Herrmann wrote:
>Hi,
>
>today i got a game per email, with the folling PGN:
>
>[Event "Blitz:15'"]
>[Site "Woodbury, MN"]
>[Date "2002.12.16"]
>[Round "?"]
>[White "Manicka, Ed"]
>[Black "Holmes v 8.13e [2150]"]
>[Result "1-0"]
>[ECO "E90"]
>[Annotator "Manicka,Ed"]
>[PlyCount "97"]
>[TimeControl "900"]
>
>{32MB, Empty.ctg, Dell Laptop
>} 1. d4 {[%emt 0:00:00]} Nf6 {[%emt 0:00:00]} 2.
>c4 {[%emt 0:00:05]} g6 {[%emt 0:00:00]} 3. Nc3 {[%emt 0:00:06]} Bg7 {
>[%emt 0:00:00]} 4. e4 {[%emt 0:00:04]} d6 {[%emt 0:00:00]} 5. Nf3 {
>[%emt 0:00:05]} O-O {[%emt 0:00:00]} 6. h3 {[%emt 0:00:09]} e5 {[%emt 0:00:00]}
>7. d5 {[%emt 0:00:21]} Na6 {[%emt 0:00:00]} 8. a3 {[%emt 0:00:11]} Nc5 {
>[%emt 0:00:36]} 9. Qc2 {[%emt 0:00:15]} c6 {[%emt 0:00:30]} 10. b4 {
>[%emt 0:00:08]} Ncd7 {[%emt 0:00:13]} 11. dxc6 {[%emt 0:00:51]} bxc6 {
>[%emt 0:00:00]} 12. Be3 {[%emt 0:00:04]} a5 {[%emt 0:00:11]} 13. b5 {
>[%emt 0:00:42]} Bb7 {[%emt 0:00:08]} 14. Bd3 {[%emt 0:01:35]} cxb5 {
>[%emt 0:00:01]} 15. cxb5 {[%emt 0:00:03]} d5 {[%emt 0:00:18]} 16. Bg5 {
>[%emt 0:00:18]} Qb8 {[%emt 0:00:30]} 17. Nd2 {[%emt 0:01:21]} Rc8 {
>[%emt 0:00:01]} 18. Bxf6 {[%emt 0:00:42]} Nxf6 {[%emt 0:00:00]} 19. Qb2 {
>[%emt 0:00:26]} Qc7 {[%emt 0:00:39]} 20. Nd1 {[%emt 0:00:05]} dxe4 {
>[%emt 0:00:22]} 21. Bc4 {[%emt 0:00:04]} Bh6 {[%emt 0:00:06]} 22. Ne3 {
>[%emt 0:00:09]} Bxe3 {[%emt 0:00:04]} 23. fxe3 {[%emt 0:00:03]} Qb6 {
>[%emt 0:00:35]} 24. Kf2 {[%emt 0:00:12]} Rc7 {[%emt 0:00:34]} 25. Rac1 {
>[%emt 0:00:09]} Rd8 {[%emt 0:00:12]} 26. Rhe1 {[%emt 0:00:09]} Rcd7 {
>[%emt 0:00:45]} 27. Nf1 {[%emt 0:00:13]} Qd6 {[%emt 0:00:12]} 28. Kg1 {
>[%emt 0:00:06]} a4 {[%emt 0:00:29]} 29. Ng3 {[%emt 0:00:09]} Qe7 {
>[%emt 0:00:10]} 30. Rf1 {[%emt 0:00:12]} Rd2 {[%emt 0:00:11]} 31. Rc2 {
>[%emt 0:00:04]} Rd1 {[%emt 0:00:03]} 32. b6 {[%emt 0:00:05]} h6 {[%emt 0:00:18]
>} 33. Rcf2 {[%emt 0:00:07]} ...
>
>It seems it was played under a Chessbase GUI.
>
>
>Here the position after 32. .. h6
>[D]3r2k1/1b2qp2/1P3npp/4p3/p1B1p3/P3P1NP/1QR3P1/3r1RK1 w - - 0 33
>
>
>What's here the rigth SAN notation for move 33.
>
>Winboard and Holmes produces here Rf2 instead of Rcf2, because Rff2 isn't a
>legal move.
>
Rcf2 is incorrect. Winboard and Holmes are correct because the other rook is
pinned.
From paragraph 8.2.3.4 (Disambiguation) of the PGN-standard: "...disambiguation
is needed only to distinguish among moves of the same piece type to the same
square; it is not used to distinguish among attacks of the same piece type to
the same square."
>I have made in Holmes for excample a book out of cleanbook.pgn with over 75.000
>games and Holmes has readed all games without errors.
>
>This was the first game where Holmes has problems to read a PGN game, because of
>the move "Rcf2", Holmes expected here "Rf2".
>
>So what should be here the right SAN notation?
>
>Thanks for any hints.
>
>
>Andreas
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