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Subject: Re: Will It Take A New Kind of Chess Engine to Whip Kramnik?

Author: Bob Durrett

Date: 08:33:57 12/20/02

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On December 20, 2002 at 10:51:54, Robert Hyatt wrote:

>On December 20, 2002 at 08:52:44, Bob Durrett wrote:
>
>>On December 19, 2002 at 23:04:17, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>
>><snip>
>>
>>>I think the basic problem is in understanding how _we_ do something.  For
>>>specific applications, no matter how complex they are, we can develop software
>>>to accomplish that particular task.  But only _if_ we know how we solve the
>>>problem.  That is the missing link so far.  We simply don't know how we do
>>>what we do, we just know we do it.
>>
>><snip>
>>
>>Hmmm.  That sounds VERY philosophical.  Almost religious.
>>
>>So you really do not believe the science fiction writers when they portray
>>computers of the future creating new computers?  Programs writing programs?
>
>Certainly I believe that will happen.  I believe that before long, gene therapy
>will eliminate most disease.  But it will _only_ happen after the complete
>genome is mapped along with all deviations that cause problems.

Although perhaps TOO off-topic, I should "warn" everybody that our descendents
may run out of oil, coal, and nuclear fuel before all these good things happen.
[Solar Power Satellites may be their only salvation.]  But I share your
enthusiasm regarding that genome business.  It is almost as interesting as
computer chess!  : )

>The point is,
>once you understand something, you can fiddle with it to make it better.  But if
>you don't understand it, fiddling depends on serendipity to make it better, and
>there is just as good a chance it will end up worse.

Seriously, that is my experience too.  But I rarely "understand" well enough.
But don't knock the "trial and error" method.  That's what Thomas Edison is
supposed to have done to produce a practical light bulb.  You do like light
bulbs, don't you? : )

>
>I can write a program for any process I understand fully, no matter how
>complex it is.  But for the human mind, we are simply not "there" yet...  I
>fully believe we _will_ get there at some point in time however....
>
>>
>>It is not clear to me that the computers [or robots] of the future will NEVER be
>>able to cut the umbilical cord to their human "parents."
>
>Nor to me...  Just not yet...  :)
>
>
>>
>>At the risk of offending human chess programmers, let me suggest that smart
>>computers or robots will create the chess engines of the future.  The humans
>>will be told to stay home and keep out of trouble.  : )
>>
>>Bob D.
>
>
>That may well happen at some point in time...



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