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Subject: Re: Will It Take A New Kind of Chess Engine to Whip Kramnik?

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 10:50:31 12/20/02

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On December 20, 2002 at 13:39:58, Uri Blass wrote:

>On December 20, 2002 at 10:51:54, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>
>>On December 20, 2002 at 08:52:44, Bob Durrett wrote:
>>
>>>On December 19, 2002 at 23:04:17, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>>
>>><snip>
>>>
>>>>I think the basic problem is in understanding how _we_ do something.  For
>>>>specific applications, no matter how complex they are, we can develop software
>>>>to accomplish that particular task.  But only _if_ we know how we solve the
>>>>problem.  That is the missing link so far.  We simply don't know how we do
>>>>what we do, we just know we do it.
>>>
>>><snip>
>>>
>>>Hmmm.  That sounds VERY philosophical.  Almost religious.
>>>
>>>So you really do not believe the science fiction writers when they portray
>>>computers of the future creating new computers?  Programs writing programs?
>>
>>Certainly I believe that will happen.  I believe that before long, gene therapy
>>will eliminate most disease.  But it will _only_ happen after the complete
>>genome is mapped along with all deviations that cause problems.  The point is,
>>once you understand something, you can fiddle with it to make it better.  But if
>>you don't understand it, fiddling depends on serendipity to make it better, and
>>there is just as good a chance it will end up worse.
>>
>>I can write a program for any process I understand fully, no matter how
>>complex it is.  But for the human mind, we are simply not "there" yet...  I
>>fully believe we _will_ get there at some point in time however....
>>
>>>
>>>It is not clear to me that the computers [or robots] of the future will NEVER be
>>>able to cut the umbilical cord to their human "parents."
>>
>>Nor to me...  Just not yet...  :)
>>
>>
>>>
>>>At the risk of offending human chess programmers, let me suggest that smart
>>>computers or robots will create the chess engines of the future.  The humans
>>>will be told to stay home and keep out of trouble.  : )
>>>
>>>Bob D.
>>
>>
>>That may well happen at some point in time...
>
>No
>
>Some human should write the program that create chess engines and another human
>may write a better program to write programs so humans are not hoing to be told
>to stay home.
>
>Uri


That might be reasonable.  _except_ for time-scale.  Humans evolve slowly.
Computers have gone from zero to today in 60 years.  Once they "learn"
they begin to evolve, and their rate of evolution will be so far superior to
ours we will never again catch up...




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