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Subject: Re: Another Place to get CSTAL under disguise

Author: Bruce Moreland

Date: 17:53:58 12/22/02

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On December 22, 2002 at 18:41:05, Peter Skinner wrote:

>On December 22, 2002 at 18:28:33, Bruce Moreland wrote:
>
>>On December 22, 2002 at 16:24:12, James T. Walker wrote:
>>
>>>On December 22, 2002 at 11:52:19, Fernando Villegas wrote:
>>>
>>>>It is this: http://www.mindscape.co.uk/products/ProductInfo.asp?pid=251
>>>>Get it: with any name is the most entertainning program ever to this day.
>>>>Fernando
>>>
>>>The average chess player is around 1500 USCF and for those people CSTal is not
>>>even close to Chessmaster for entertainment/training/playing levels/ etc. etc.
>>>etc.  CSTal is relagated to just a curiosity now.  When it was developed it
>>>could have been a great program if the programmer had not been so stubborn about
>>>giving it maximum knowledge while sacrificing depth.  It also has a couple of
>>>bugs which he never bothered to fix (much like CB).  Other than that it is
>>>interesting to play against.
>>>Jim Walker
>>
>>I don't see why it isn't a great program.
>>
>>Does another program give the human opponent the same experience?
>>
>>I've always thought that people had weird methods for determining whether a
>>computer program was strong, for their own purposes.
>>
>>bruce
>
>I always used the method "If it can kill me it is strong". I have yet to find a
>chess engine that is not "strong". :)
>
>Peter.

It used to be that chess programs killed you by drowning you in oatmeal.  I got
the idea that CST often found more interesting ways to do it.

I haven't played against a chess program in a long time, so I don't know how
they feel now.

It used to be a bomb defusing exercise.  Programs never found a way to make you
play defense, they had a tough time pushing you.

bruce




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