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Subject: Re: Would This Pass The Criteria of a Positional test?

Author: Dann Corbit

Date: 10:25:04 12/26/02

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On December 24, 2002 at 19:21:29, Dana Turnmire wrote:

>I am beginning to think there is no way to test programs positionally because no
>matter what position is given it seems there is some objection to it (apples
>compared to oranges, no one correct move, computer gave the right move for the
>wrong reason etc.)
>
>Most agree that a strong human player understands long term strategy whereas
>computers are dumb in this area.  This is just one example out of the book
>entitled "Multiple Choice Chess" by IM Graeme Buckley.  When it comes to tactics
>even the world champion would get blown away by the present day programs but
>when it comes to strategy humans rule.  Would this format be a satisfactory way
>to test programs for making good positional moves?  All the programs I used were
>tested at 3min/move.
>
>
>[Date "1995.01.20"]
>[White "Ward, Christopher"]
>[Black "Voskanian, Vahagn"]
>[Result "1-0"]
>
>1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 e6 3.Nc3 d5 4.cxd5 exd5 5.Bg5 Be7 6.e3 Nbd7 7.Bd3 Nf8
>8.Qc2 Ne6 9.Bh4 c6 10.Nf3 g6 11.O-O O-O 12.Rab1 Ng7 13.b4 a6 14.a4 Bf5
>15.Ne5 Bxd3 16.Nxd3 Nf5 17.Bxf6 Bxf6 18.b5 axb5 19.axb5 Nd6 20.bxc6 bxc6
>21.Nb4 Qd7 22.Na4 Nc4 23.Nc5 Qd6 24.Rb3 Rfb8 25.Nba6 Rb5 26.Rxb5 cxb5
>27.Nb4 Bd8 28.g3 Bb6 29.Nbd3 Bxc5 30.dxc5 Qf6 31.Nb4 Rc8 32.c6 d4
>33.exd4 Qxd4 34.Rd1 Qe5 35.Qd3 Qe6 36.Qd5 Ne5 37.Rc1 Ng4 38.Qd4 Qe2
>39.c7 h5 40.Nd5 1-0
>
>Stage one is complete.  Black has a weak backward pawn on a semi-open file.
>21.Nd1 and 21.Rfc1 are safe and both score one point.  21.Nb4 begins the attack
>on black's weak link and bags two points.  The weakest of White's choices was
>21.f3, which scores no points.  Take a bonus point if you spotted Black's strong
>reply 21...Nc4 when the e3-pawn proves impossible to defend satisfactorily.  For
>example 22.Qc1 Re8 23.Re1 Nxe3!! 24.Rxe3 Bxd4 25.Nd1 Qe7 26.Kf2 Qh4+ 27.Kg1 Rxe3
>28.Nxe3 Re8. Take two bonus points if you saw 23...Nxe3 for Black.
>
>Arasan 6.1 - 21.Rfc1
>CM9000 - 21.Rb4
>Genius 7 - 21.Ra1
>Ruffian 21.Nc5
>[d]r2q1rk1/5p1p/2pn1bp1/3p4/3P4/2NNP3/2Q2PPP/1R3RK1 w - - 0 21
>
>22.e4 only scores one point; it just offers mass exchanges with 22...Nxe4 23Nxe4
>dxe4 24.Qxe4 Qxd4 25.Qxd4 Bxd4 26.Nxc6 when a draw is a likely result.
>
>22.Rfd1 and 22.Ne2 are also sufficient for one point but 22.Na4  deserves two
>points in view of the forking threat on b6 and the additional attack on c6.
>
>Arasan 6.1 - 22.Nd3
>*CM9000 - 22.Na4
>*Genius 7 - 22.Na4
>Ruffian - 22.Nd3
>[d]r4rk1/3q1p1p/2pn1bp1/3p4/1N1P4/2N1P3/2Q2PPP/1R3RK1 w - - 0 22
>
>White still has to watch ...Na3 by Black and therefore must avoid 24.Rfc1, which
>loses two points.
>
>The question is where should the rooks go?  There is a useful possibility that
>White can double after 24.Rb3 (two points) so this move slightly outscores the
>other two which are worth one point.
>
>Arasan 6.1 - 24.Ne4
>CM9000 - 24.Ne4
>Genius 7 - 24.Ne4
>Ruffian - 24.Ne4
>[d]r4rk1/5p1p/2pq1bp1/2Np4/1NnP4/4P3/2Q2PPP/1R3RK1 w - - 0 24
>
>After Rfb1 Na3 White finds he has fallen for the fork (this loses two points).
>25.Nca6 and 25.Re1 avoid this (both score one) but with the former White has
>made no progress after 25.Nca6 Rb6 26.Nc5.
>
>The best move must be 25.Nba6 (two points); this knight to a6 threatens to take
>control of the b-file and ...Rb6 is obviously prevented.
>
>Arasan 6.1 - 25.Rc1
>CM9000 - Rc1
>*Genius 7 - 25.Nba6
>Ruffian - 25.Rc1
>[d]rr4k1/5p1p/2pq1bp1/2Np4/1NnP4/1R2P3/2Q2PPP/5RK1 w - - 0 25
>
>It does not make sense to give away control of an open file, so 26.Rc3 does not
>score.  26.Rfb1 is fine for one point.  This beats 26.Rb4, which allows
>26...Rxa6 27.Nxa6 Rxb4 28.Nxb4 Qxb4 (lose one point).
>
>The best, but only just, is 26.Rxb5 which splits the black pawns after the
>recapture.  In this way White exchanges one advantage (Black's backward pawn)
>for another (the split b- and d-pawns).  In addition, Black's d-pawn will become
>isloated.  Score two point for this.
>
>*Arasan 6.1 - 26.Rxb5
>CM9000 - 26.Rfb1
>*Genius 7 - 26.Rxb5
>Ruffian - 26.Rfb1
>[d]r5k1/5p1p/N1pq1bp1/1rNp4/2nP4/1R2P3/2Q2PPP/5RK1 w - - 0 26
>
>27.Qb3 and 27.Rb1 allow the respective forks...Nd2 and ...Na3 and lose one and
>two points respectively.  27.Ra1 merits one point, but leaves the knight on a6
>rather needlessly in a pin.  27.Nb4 places the knight securely in front of
>Black's passed pawn (two points).
>
>*Arasan 6.1 - 27.Nb4
>*CM9000 - 27.Nb4
>Genius 7 - 27.Ra1 (Genius chooses 27.Nb4 at 4' 44")
>Ruffian - 27.Ra1
>[d]r5k1/5p1p/N2q1bp1/1pNp4/2nP4/4P3/2Q2PPP/5RK1 w - - 0 27
>
>28.h3 is okay for one point, but another pawn move is required if Black plays
>...Bc7.  28.g3 carefully avoids the possible future checkmate threat and is
>worth two points.  28.Qe2 does not have a logical plan behind it but it is safe
>so it scores one point anyway.  The same cannot be said for 28.Nb7; after
>28...Qxb4 White finds that he has blundered a piece and three points.
>
>Arasan 6.1 - 28.Rc1
>CM9000 - 28.Nbd3
>*Genius 7 - 28.g3
>Ruffian - 28.Rb1
>[d]r2b2k1/5p1p/3q2p1/1pNp4/1NnP4/4P3/2Q2PPP/5RK1 w - - 0 28
>
>Black has just captured so it would take something of a severe loss of
>concentration to choose either 30.Kg2 or 30.Nf4 both of which lose three points.
> 30.Nxc5 scores one point and leaves Black with the aforementioned pawn
>structure, which cannot be bad for White.  30.dxc5 scores two points because it
>gives White a passed pawn into the bargain.  However, the nature of the game
>changes slightly after this move.  If  the passed pawn is not defended, then it
>is conceivable that it could be rounded up and taken.
>
>*Arasan 6.1 - 30.dxc5
>Genius 7 - 30.Nxc5
>*CM9000 - 30.dxc5
>*Ruffian - 30.dxc5
>[d]r5k1/5p1p/3q2p1/1pbp4/2nP4/3NP1P1/2Q2P1P/5RK1 w - - 0 30
>
>31.Nb4 scores two points as it is an impressive multi-purpose move.  White now
>defends the square c6 to aid in the advance of the c-pawn.  Black has a passed
>pawn too, but for the moment its path is blocked and thus the b-pawn is not
>looking dangerous.  One final point of 31.Nb4 is that it also attacks the
>d5-pawn.  31.Nf4 is an inferior version of this and scores one point.
>
>31.c6 is a straightforward blunder and loses one point.  More complicated is
>31.Qb3 which loses two points after 31...Nd2.  If you saw further with 32.Qxd5
>Rd8! when Black cashes in more than the exchange, then give yourself one bonus
>point.
>
>Arasan 6.1 - 31.Rd1
>*CM9000 - 31.Nb4
>*Genius 7 - 31.Nb4
>*Ruffian - 31.Nb4
>[d]r5k1/5p1p/5qp1/1pPp4/2n5/3NP1P1/2Q2P1P/5RK1 w - - 0 31
>
>The idea is to centralise the queen and help the passed pawn up the board.
>Playing 35.Qd3, without spotting 35...Nb2, reduces your score by two.  You had
>to see ahead and intend to play 36.Qd4 (or Qd5, Qd6); these three moves score
>three bonus points.  Best of all, 36.Qd7 socres four bonus points.
>
>35.Qb3 is safe and earns one point.  35.Qe2 loses nine points after 35...Qxe2
>which, by comparison, makes 35.Nd3 a good move, yet after 35...Qe4 it still
>carries a penalty of one point.
>
>Arasan 6.1 - 35.Qd3
>CM9000 - 35.Qd3
>Genius 7 - 35.Qd3
>Ruffian - 35.Qd3
>[d]2r3k1/5p1p/2P3p1/1p2q3/1Nn5/6P1/2Q2P1P/3R2K1 w - - 0 35

Chess Tiger 14 analysis:
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acs 120; pv Bg3 N8h7 Be5 O-O Ng3 Ng5 Nf5 Bxf5 Bxf5 Qb4 a3 Qb6 Ka2;|Bh4g3
2kr2nr/ppp2ppp/2b1pq2/8/1b1PP3/2NBBPP1/PP5P/R2QK2R b KQ - ce -32; acd 13; acs
120; pv Ne7 Rc1 Rxd4 Bxd4 Qxd4 Be2 Qe3 Qd2 Bc5 Qxe3 Bxe3 Rd1 Rd8 Rxd8+ Kxd8 Nd1
Bc5;|Ng8e7
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pv Qf4 Re8 Rc1 Nc6 Ne5 Re7 Nxc6 Rxc6 Rxc6 Bxc6 Rc1 Bb7 Qg5 Rd7 Qxd8+ Rxd8;|Qd2f4
r1bqr1kb/pp5p/4ppp1/2pPP3/2P2P2/8/P2QB1PP/1RB1K2R w K - ce -40; acd 13; acs 120;
pv d6 fxe5 O-O e4 Bb2 Bxb2 Rxb2 b6 Bg4 Qf6 Rd1 Ba6 Rc2 Qh4;|d6
1r2q1k1/p1rn3p/1pp1pp2/P2n4/1P1P4/Q4N2/5PPP/2RR1BK1 w - - ce 104; acd 14; acs
26; pv b5 Rbc8 Rxc6 Rxc6 bxc6 Nb8 axb6 axb6 Bc4 Nxc6 Bxd5 exd5 Qd6 Qd8 Qe6+ Kf8
Rc1;|!26
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Bf6 Qf2 Qe7 Bd3 Qb4 Qc2 Bd4+ Kh1 g6 Rad1 Nc5 Nxc5 Qxc5;|Be7f6
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120; pv b3 Ne5 h3 g6 Na4 Nfd7 f4 Nc6 g3 Na5 Bd3 Bg7;|b3
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120; pv Ne6 Nf5 Bc5 Ne4 Qxd1 Rxd1 Ba7 Be3 Bxe3 Nxe3;|Nc5e6
r2qr1k1/pp3pbp/n5p1/2pP1b2/2Q1nB2/2N2N2/PP2BPPP/3R1RK1 w - - ce -12; acd 12; acs
120; pv Bd3 Bxc3 bxc3 b5 Qxb5 Nxc3 Qxa6 Bxd3 Qxd3 Ne2+ Kh1 Nxf4 Qc4 Qd6
Ng5;|Be2d3
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120; pv g4 Bb5 Bxb5+ Qxb5 g5 Ne4 a4 Qc6 Bxg7 Rg8 Qh5+ Kd7 b5 Qc4 Qxh7 Nxg5;|g4
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acs 120; pv O-O Bh2 Rab8 Re1 Bf5 Qd2 Bxd3 cxd3 Ng6 Rab1 Nce7 Qg5 f6 Qh5;|0-0
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pv e5 Be7 Rxd8 Bxd8 Bxc5 Nh6 Bd4 Nf5 Rd1 fxe5 Bxe5 Bg5 Nd4 Be3+ Kf1 Bc4+ Ke1
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r2qnrk1/p2p3p/bpn1p1p1/5p2/2PPPP2/P2BB1N1/6PP/R2Q1RK1 b - - ce 16; acd 14; acs
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Rab8;|Ne8d6
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120; pv Bxf6 Rxd2 Kd7 h4 Bd8 Bc5 Bc7 Bb4 Kc6 Bd3 a5 Bc3 Rbc8;|Be7f6
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pv Bc4 Bxc4 bxc4 Rf2 Rh4 Rg3 Kd7 h3 Rbh8 Rh2 f5 exf5 d5 c3 e4 Rd2;|!2
2r3k1/pbqrbppp/1pn1pn2/6B1/3P4/P1NQ1N1P/BP3PP1/3RR1K1 w - - ce 12; acd 13; acs
10; pv d5 h6 Bxf6 Bxf6 Bb1 Ne5 Nxe5 Bxe5 Qh7+ Kf8 Nb5 Qb8 Nxa7 Rcd8 Qh8+
Ke7;|!10
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Bg3 a6 Nh2 Bf8 Ng4 Ne7 Nd6 Bg2 Nf6 b5 Kf2 Bxh3 Nfe4 Nf5 Nxc5+ Kd5;|!2
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120; pv Qd7 Nc2 Rab8 Qe2 Ne7 Bb4 Bxg3 hxg3 Ned5 Bc5 b6 Bb4 a5 Bd2;|Qd8d7
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120; pv Qd5 Rc1 Qe6 Nc2 Ne7 Ba5 Rac8 Na3 Ned5 Re1 b6 Bd2 c5;|Qd8d5
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120; pv f5 bxa4 Nxa4 Bxa4 Rxa4 Bxb2 Qe2 Be5 fxg6 fxg6 Rxf8+ Kxf8 Rxa6 Rxa6
Qxa6;|f5




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