Author: Mike Byrne
Date: 18:09:16 12/27/02
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On December 27, 2002 at 18:40:51, Dave Gomboc wrote: >On December 27, 2002 at 12:18:13, Mike Byrne wrote: > >>On December 27, 2002 at 02:45:16, Kurt Utzinger wrote: >> >>>On December 26, 2002 at 19:53:10, Mike S. wrote: >>> >>>>On December 26, 2002 at 19:34:25, Mike Byrne wrote: >>>> >>>>>28. Be4! a super grandmaster move, by a super grandmaster. >>>>> >>>>>Any programs come up with this? >>>>>[d]2nq1nk1/5p1p/4p1pQ/pb1pP1NP/1p1P2P1/1P4N1/P4PB1/6K1 w - - >>>> >>>>It looks like White can insert the zwischenzug 28.hxg6, whereafter Black has to >>>>defend against the simple threat gxh7+ Kh8 (Nxh7 doesn't make much sense either) >>>>Nxf7 mate, first. IOW it looks to me as if Be4 doesn't have to be played >>>>immediatly (I didn't analyse much). >>>> >>>>It's often a problem with test positions when the attacker can play a simple but >>>>strong threat alternatively (and delay the intended solution, so you don't know >>>>if the program has missed it or is just going to play it later...). >>>> >>>>Analysis by Fritz 7 (P3/700, 96 MB hash): >>>> >>>>1.hxg6 fxg6 2.Nxh7 Nxh7 3.Qxg6+ Kh8 4.Qxe6 Bd7 5.Qxd5 Ng5 6.Nf5 Ne6 >>>> ² (0.63) Depth: 8/27 00:00:00 301kN >>>> ± (0.91) Depth: 12/35 00:00:23 7799kN >>>>1.Be4 Be8 2.hxg6 hxg6 3.Nh5 gxh5 4.Bh7+ Nxh7 5.Nxh7 f5 6.Nf6+ Kf7 7.Nxh5 Ke7 >>>>8.Qg7+ >>>> ± (0.94) Depth: 12/35 00:00:38 12492kN >>>> ± (1.09) Depth: 13/36 00:01:09 23280kN >>>> >>>>Regards, >>>>M.Scheidl >>> >>>Hi Mike >>>I fully agree. This test position is not a good one because at least three moves >>>are easily winning here, namely 1.Be4, 1.hxg6 and 1.Nxh7 >>> >>>Below the analysis of Shredder7 ond P4 1.8/32 MB hash: >>> >>>New game >>>2nq1nk1/5p1p/4p1pQ/pb1pP1NP/1p1P2P1/1P4N1/P4PB1/6K1 w - - 0 1 >>> >>>Analysis by Shredder 7: >>> >>>1.hxg6 hxg6 2.Qh8+ Kxh8 3.Nxf7+ Kg8 4.Nxd8 g5 5.Nb7 a4 6.bxa4 Bc4 7.Nd6 Nxd6 >>>8.exd6 Bxa2 >>> +- (1.44) Depth: 1/7 00:00:00 >>> +- (2.21) Depth: 10/26 00:00:01 525kN >>>1.Nxh7 Nxh7 2.hxg6 fxg6 3.Qxg6+ Kh8 4.Qxe6 Ne7 5.Nf5 Nxf5 6.gxf5 Qc7 7.Qh6 >>> +- (2.22) Depth: 10/26 00:00:02 631kN >>> +- (2.29) Depth: 15/41 00:01:57 31632kN >>>1.Be4 Be8 2.hxg6 hxg6 3.Nh5 gxh5 4.Bh7+ Nxh7 5.Nxh7 f5 6.exf6 Qc7 7.f7+ Kh8 >>> +- (2.30) Depth: 15/42 00:03:52 60969kN >>> +- (2.30) Depth: 15/42 00:03:52 60969kN >>> >>>(Utzinger, MyTown 27.12.2002) >> >> >>It may not be a good test position - I was just admiring the game itself. I am >>reviewing Chess Informant "DEMO BASE" with 500 annotated games selected from >>various Informants. Their new software, which I purchased, "Chess Informant >>Expert 4.0"( about $52) -- is very very cool. It allows for full import and >>export of CI electronic Informants to PGN and vica-versa. This could be very >>useful in building a quality book :>). >> >>There are also little known secrets in acquiring all of the Chess Informants >>books electronically (and legally) at modest cost. >> >>Chess Informant 83 CD, includes as a special bonus, all of the Chess Informant >>Games Volume 1-82 in PGN format(without annotations). It's highlighted on thier >>webpage ( http://www.sahovski.com/default.htm) , just go to the "Shop online" >>select electronic editions and find the "Chess Informants 83 & 84". >>You will get "Chess Informants 83 and 84 CD" for price of one(about $32). So >>for about $84, you can get Chess Informants 1-84 electronically with software >>that you will allow you to export and import into PGN files. >> >>Michael Byrne > >That is beginning to sound interesting. Can you tell me if the PGN export is >run on their annotated games, then will the annotations be exported as well as >the moves? And if the answer to that is yes, then do they have a CD-ROM or two >that contains all the games -- annotated! -- that can be purchased? (But I am >not interested if the annotations cannot be exported out of their proprietary >format.) > >Dave Yes, annotations can be exported - but they would have to be translated. Something like this (onthe google post) would be your guide: http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&selm=apk6bq%24243a%241%40norfair.nerim.net Michael Byrne
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