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Subject: Re: Opinion needed from everybody in CCC.

Author: Amir Ban

Date: 05:03:27 09/21/98

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On September 21, 1998 at 07:02:04, Les Walker wrote:

>I would like everybody's opinion on this issuse. If you do not have the strength
>to vote on this issue, then do not complain when things do not go the way you
>want them. I feel it is time the majority speaks. THIS MEANS YOU!
>
>
>IMHO
>
>If CCC is unable to solve their differences, which it appears they
>cannot, why not assemble a committee, by vote of CCC
>members, and draw up a club constitution, one which would be
>fair to all. This occurs quite frequently in most privately operated
>clubs. Why can it not be implemented in this case. With a
>constitution, there are rules, guidelines and fairness to all the club
>members. Even in a family environment, there has to be set rules,
>acceptable to everybody, if there is going to be order and to avoid
>chaos. If everybody is following the same rules, life becomes less
>chaotic. Even if there are disagreements, and there will always be
>disagreements, there would still be some order in the club. If rules
>are agreed upon, from the outset, there would be, ultimately, less
>hair splitting.
>
>In American history there was a judge called Judge Roy Bean.
>Bean decided the law, by how he felt,  upon any given moment.
>When a accused criminal was brought before Bean, his fate was
>decided by Bean and only Bean. He did not follow any set laws
>or rules. He ruled as if he were the "king" of the land. Please do
>not get me wrong here. I am NOT suggesting that ANYBODY has
>acted in such a way as Bean, but only offer it as an example to
>what *any* organization can become without rules and guidelines
>agreed by the majority. If I were a governing body, or part of, I would
>expect it. Being a Manager for one of (Walmart) the largest chains of
>department stores in the world, I depend upon policy to back me up.
>When I need to reprimand an associate, I NEED company policies
>to implement *proof* that the reprimand is necessary.
>
>I suggested, in a previous post, a challenge to all involved in this
>flame war. I suggested a compromise and an opportunity to reunite
>some of the best minds on this planet. It is rare that this much talent
>is assembled at the same place, for the same, or similar, goals.
>Believe me, I was not acting on naivete when I wrote that post. My
>goal was to generate responses, or lack of, to get an idea of how
>people felt about resolution. Unfortunately, response was disappointing,
>at best. BOTH sides need to give a little and admit they are partially at
>fault in some way. Let's face it right here and now. Resolution will
>NEVER happen unless most people are willing to MAKE it happen.
>Whether it be before Sean departure from CCC, or after, both sides
>have been observed to be wrong at some point, regardless of triviality.
>When I suggested resolution, Sean said it's not that simple. Sean, I never
>suggested it was. When IS peace a simple process? Apparently, the
>nature of man finds it easier to fight than to resolve.
>
>At the risk of being ignored, I will post my challenge a 2nd time. I Les
>CHALLENGE EVERYBODY to WORK toward resolution. To accept
>this challenge, it means you would have to "bite the bullet," "suck it up,"
>or whatever you call it. It's all about compromise. War tears us apart
>and makes us weak, and compromise builds strength and unity.  It is
>a chess game gentlemen. To play the strongest game possible, all
>pieces MUST be working together, for the same goal - to win. If any
>piece is excluded, or any piece excludes themselves, the game is,
>perhaps, lost. Let us put all of the pieces in the game, so we can all
>win.
>
>What I want to know from you is, do you agree or disagree? Well, what are you
>waiting for? Now is your opportunity to be heard. How do you feel about this
>issue? Don't be shy.
>
>
>Best Regards and Wishes,
>
>Les Walker


What is the issue that we are discussing here ? You mention a previous post you
wrote about this. I tried to find it, but couldn't.

Amir




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