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Subject: Re: Question about possible pawn positions

Author: John Lowe

Date: 05:28:26 12/29/02

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On December 29, 2002 at 07:51:25, Drexel,Michael wrote:

>On December 29, 2002 at 05:45:00, John Lowe wrote:
>
>>On December 29, 2002 at 00:26:50, Les Fernandez wrote:
>>
>>>[D]4k3/8/8/8/8/2P5/1PPP4/4K3 w - -
>>>
>>>The above pawn structure to the best of my knowledge can't ever be reached since
>>>the c3 pawn would have had to come from either b2-c2-d2.  Are there alot of
>>>these type of positions or are there a handful of pawn structures that we know
>>>can't happen?  Perhaps someone knows of a link that discusses this or can shed
>>>"some" light as to what types of structures I can be made aware of.  I am
>>>working on an idea to increase our data in the C.A.P project for which an
>>>understanding on reachable pawn positions is important.  Any input that you can
>>>provide me with would be deeply appreciated.  It may be that there are so many
>>>various scenario's that I might just have to leave out this portion of what I am
>>>trying to do and just work with the other entities but I would prefer to work
>>>pawns into my idea if possible.
>>>
>>>Thanks,
>>>
>>It is possible to get, within the rules - not the sensible game - a white pawn
>>on a2,a3,a4,a5,a6 and a7
>>
>>This will "cost" 15 captures leaving no capturable pieces for the g2 and h2
>>pawns. It will involve making king-side black pawns available for capture by
>>sacrificing white pieces to them - it will take some analysis to discover how
>>but my guess is that it can be done.
>>
>>Migrations bigger than this will be outside the rules.
>>
>>Does this help
>>
>>>Les   ?
>>
>>Regards
>>
>>John
>
>Sorry John but this can not be done:
>
>[D] k7/P7/P7/P7/P7/P7/P7/K7 w - - 0 1
>
>This pawn structure can not be reached within the rules.
>The problem is:
>you have not enough white pieces available in order to sacrifice them to make
>all black king-side pawns available.

Hi Michael,

Some ground rules:

1) Every white pawn move must be a capture (excluding g pawns and h pawns)
2) Three black kingside pawns cannot be captured on their "home" files
3) Only the white "f" pawn can capture on the "e" file - AND THAT ONLY ONCE ):

OK you got me  :)

Happy new year

John



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