Author: John Lowe
Date: 13:33:03 12/29/02
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On December 29, 2002 at 14:37:13, Daniel Clausen wrote: > >On December 29, 2002 at 14:23:35, Uri Blass wrote: > >>On December 29, 2002 at 13:53:52, liam hearns wrote: >> >>>i think its very informative,no books ,let us see what the engines are like >>>without there ref. library! >> >>What do you learn about from the fact that Tiger beated shredder 5-3 with black >>with 1.e4 d5 exd5 Qd5 3.Nc3 Qe6+? >> >>You can learn nothing from this about it's strength after 1.e4 e5 or 1.e4 c5. >> > >And what do you learn if X beats Y in the line "1.e4 d5 exd5 Qd5 3.Nc3 Qe6+?"? >You learn nothing from this about its strength after "1.e4 e5 or 1.e4 c5". > >What is meaningless to you can be meaningful to someone else. "Meaning" is not >absolute. > >Let engines play w/o books against each other measures exactly that: how strong >they are w/o books. Let engines play w/ books against each other measures >exactly that: how strong they are w/ books. > >The fact that most people let the engines play w/ books against each other >doesn't make the other thing 'less worth', or 'meaningless'. And how good the >engines are, when you use them for something meaningfu.. I mean.. different, >like analyzing your games, is yet another subject. > >I could ask what you learn _at all_ from this computer engines games - apart >from the fact that X beats Y in a particular setup, but I will refrain from >that. :) > >Sargon > >PS. Let engines play (w/ or w/o book) but with activated screen saver is also >yet another test ;) Sargon!!!!! My first mentor!!!!! ((((x)))) I don't remember you being cynical! :( I learned to talk asm because you had no secrets..... (: Actually I agree with most of what you've said. I'm wondering if it's time to ask CCC for sub-divisions in the messageboard. I have narrow interests and a (?) sense of humour, many people are interested in engine performance, some in buying/using programs, many in cutting edge programming, some of us only want to swap ideas with our peers and above and learn from the great and good. If I post a question with an obvious answer I don't need "putting down" - however gently. I usually have more difficulty with "Chessprogrammerese" than anything else. Sub divisions (Visit e.g. "Programmers Heaven" for an illustration of what I mean) would allow a mix of interests to co-exist without us "newbies" being a pain in anyone's bum and being directed to information with some hope of being able to reciprocate. There must be a place for party games and banter? Caesar (Son of Sargon) (1980's) - I mean John
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