Author: Uri Blass
Date: 16:30:00 12/29/02
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On December 29, 2002 at 19:04:47, Drexel,Michael wrote: >On December 29, 2002 at 17:51:06, Jorge Pichard wrote: > >>On December 29, 2002 at 17:48:59, Jorge Pichard wrote: >> >>>On December 29, 2002 at 17:13:19, Joshua Haglund wrote: >>> >>>>On December 29, 2002 at 14:07:14, Lieven Clarisse wrote: >>>> >>>>>I disagree, testing without an opening book is a good test for chess engines! >>>>> >>>>>lieven. >>>> >>>>Disagree... >>>> >>>>I believe there should be a rating list for all the programs without a book; 100 >>>>rounds bullet, blitz, and standard time controls. >>>> >>>>Then we'll find the best engine I believe. If it can find the best move in an >>>>unorthadox opening A00, B00, C00, D00 E00... it should find the best moves for a >>>>program with a book. I think chess tiger 15 is the new king of the mountain. >>>> >>>>For now... ;) >>>> >>>>Joshua >>> >>> >>>I Believe that the SSDF should be testing programs by using the first 20 games >>>without a book and the remaining 20 with their own book, this will give us an >>>idea of how good some programs really are. >>> >>>Pichard > >I totally disagree. >look at the games which Cristophe Drieu posted. if you would play completly >without any book the engines would play always the same (bad) variations. >no A00,B00,C00,D00,E00 just B00 or B01. >it would be interesting what the programers Cristophe or Stefan have to say >about all this. if they say I havent done anything to improve the play of my >engine within the first 10 moves for many years now (which is what I guess), >then it is meaningless to let them play without opening books. > >a good idea would obviously be: >to create an opening book which has a wide range of variations from A00-E99 in >it. no variations should last longer then till move 9 or 10 and should not lead >to great disadvantages for both sides. no dubious gambit variations for example. > >the SSDF should use such a book for all engines. >this will never happen of course. > >Michael I do not think that the ssdf should do it. If the target is to find the strength of the engines without books then it is possible to start from opening like 1.a3 a6 or 1.a4 a5 and to continue in that way but it is not the job of the ssdf but of the people who are interested in it. I also think that the games that were played were not 120/40 and I expect the engines to play better in serious games even without book. I doubt if tiger15 may play 1.e4 d5 2.ex5 Qxd5 3.Nc3 Qe6+ in 120/40 Uri
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