Author: Uri Blass
Date: 05:19:04 12/30/02
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On December 30, 2002 at 07:55:20, Sandro Necchi wrote: >On December 30, 2002 at 07:53:10, Sandro Necchi wrote: > >>On December 30, 2002 at 03:16:27, Uri Blass wrote: >> >>>On December 30, 2002 at 02:03:57, Sandro Necchi wrote: >>> >>>>On December 29, 2002 at 14:07:14, Lieven Clarisse wrote: >>>> >>>>>I disagree, testing without an opening book is a good test for chess engines! >>>>> >>>>>lieven. >>>> >>>>Hi, >>>> >>>>This is totally wrong. >>>>Sorry, but the program has been developed considering the use of a massive book, >>>>which is an important part of the program. So it is like to use the program >>>>without legs... >>>> >>>>To me, the no use of the book or the use of a different book, it is like to test >>>>a Ferrari F1 with a different engine or shape:-)) >>>> >>>>Ciao >>>>Sandro >>> >>>Engines are used also for analysis and not only for engine-engine games from the >>>opening book. >> >>OK, but why not use openings book until the end of the variations? >> >>Do you know that to develop the theory up to today level a huge amount of games >>where needed? >> >>Chess is not perfect mathematics, so you cannot expect a program to find better >>moves in the early stage of the game unless they can analyse until the endgame >>and this would mean a huge more hardware power! >> >>> >>>The question which engine is better from the opening position is not relevant >>>for correspondence players who use chess engines to help them. >> >>If they rely on those moves instead of the theory ones they will not go too far! >> >>> >>>The releavant question for them is which engine is better in the opening that >>>they play. >> >>Why without the book. >> >>Why you do not ask GMs to play without theory? This is all nonsense! >> >>> >>>Uri >> >>Sandro > >Uri, > >so how is Shredder 7? > >What about my statements? > >Any comment? > >Sandro 1)I have no comment about shredder7 I did not buy it and I did not but Fritz8. I may buy them in the future. 2)I think that programs have chances to find better moves in the opening and there were novelties that were discovered by chess programs. It is espacially correct if you give them many hours(not relevant for the first move but may be relevant for the 5th or 10th move dependent on the variation). The may not find better moves in most of the cases but the cases when they find better moves can be productive for correspondence games. Uri
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