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Subject: Re: Facts and assuptions on Hammer arch.

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 08:51:10 01/01/03

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On January 01, 2003 at 11:00:36, Vincent Diepeveen wrote:

>On January 01, 2003 at 05:23:57, Jeremiah Penery wrote:
>
>>On January 01, 2003 at 01:58:01, Vincent Diepeveen wrote:
>>
>>>Itanium2 blows the 21264 away for me. It's just that crafty cannot
>>>profit too much from the next major advantage McKinley offers offers
>>>over the 21264 for IPC:
>>>
>>>Look to this table:
>>>
>>>McKinley 6 instructions a cycle (bundles)
>>>Alpha    4 instructions a cycle
>>
>>If you're going to post such simplistic tables, without much understanding of
>>the data contained in them, here is a 'table' for you:
>>
>>McKinley - strictly in-order execution
>>Alpha    - out-of-order execution
>>
>>Make of it what you will.
>
>Read other postings from Bob. He's just talking about that if you know
>how the vector machines (like the 1Ghz Cray) work that you can program for
>it very well.
>
>Yet crafty doesn't profit from exactly that with the McKinley, which is
>weird IMHO. Potentially it's 50% faster for him. He is the one who claims
>he knows how to write for it.

As usual, I have _no idea_ what you are talking about.  Mckinly produces good
numbers for crafty (NPS).  Just not as good as a 21264.  The 21264 is a better
processor at the moment, and it should be since it has been 10 years in the
making.  Mckinley is only a couple of years old going back to the itanium 1.

I _do_ understand the difference between a super-scalar architecture and a VLIW
architecture.  VLIW has been around for 30+ years...




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