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Subject: Re: What is the real score here?

Author: Kurt Utzinger

Date: 03:01:45 01/04/03

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On January 04, 2003 at 05:33:23, Sune Fischer wrote:

>In a most recent game my engine ended up in this position as black:
>
>[D] 3q4/3P2kp/5p2/p7/1p1R2P1/8/2Q2PK1/4r3 b - - 0 1
>
>It played Kf8 here and Tinker played Qxh7 (instantly by the way, ponder hit I
>think) the score dropped to -6 real fast.
>Before Kf8 the score was drawish.
>
>Whenever I see something like that I'm interested in why it couldn't sense the
>danger sooner.
>
>It is a complicated position, I think white is winning, but have to be careful
>not getting a perpetual check. The question is, what is the real score here and
>what is the best move?
>But even more important, how do I make it fail low on Kf8 faster?
>
>-S.

Hi Sune
This position is an easy win for white who threatens 1.Qc8 +- and against this
deadly threat black's only move is 1...Qa8+ but it does not help as can be seen
from the following analysis of Shredder7 and Fritz8005 on P4 1.8/32 MB hash

Utzinger,K - Shredder 7
3q4/3P2kp/5p2/p7/1p1R2P1/8/2Q2PK1/4r3 b - - 0 1

Analysis by Shredder 7:

1...Kg8 2.Qc8 Re8 3.dxe8Q+ Qxe8
  ²  (0.41)   Depth: 1/6   00:00:00
1...Qa8+ 2.f3 Qd8 3.Kf2 Re7
  ³  (-0.65)   Depth: 4/10   00:00:00
  =  (-0.06)   Depth: 4/10   00:00:00
1...Kf8 2.Qxh7 Qa8+ 3.Re4 Qxe4+ 4.Qxe4 Rxe4 5.d8Q+ Kg7 6.Qd7+ Kf8 7.Qf5 Re2
8.Qxa5
  =  (-0.07)   Depth: 4/16   00:00:00
  +-  (4.48)   Depth: 8/27   00:00:01  508kN
1...Qa8+ 2.f3 Qd8 3.Rd2 Kf8 4.Qxh7 Re5 5.Qh8+ Ke7
  +-  (4.47)   Depth: 8/27   00:00:02  574kN
  +-  (1.76)   Depth: 8/28   00:00:06  1695kN
1...f5 2.gxf5 h5 3.f6+ Kxf6 4.Qc8 Ke7 5.Qc5+ Kf6 6.Rd6+ Re6 7.Qc8 Kf5 8.Qxd8 Kf4
  +-  (1.75)   Depth: 8/28   00:00:06  1817kN
  +-  (5.90)   Depth: 10/35   00:00:39  10378kN
1...Qa8+ 2.f3 Qd8 3.Kf2 b3 4.Qc3 Re5 5.Qc8 Qe7 6.d8B Qe6
  +-  (5.89)   Depth: 10/35   00:00:40  10657kN
  +-  (4.39)   Depth: 12/39   00:03:19  54725kN

(Utzinger, MyTown 04.01.2003)
************************************************************************************
Utzinger,K - Fritz 8
3q4/3P2kp/5p2/p7/1p1R2P1/8/2Q2PK1/4r3 b - - 0 1

Analysis by Fritz 8:

1...Kf8-- 2.Qxh7 Qa8+ 3.Kg3 Qb8+ 4.f4 Re8 5.dxe8Q+ Qxe8
  ²  (0.37)   Depth: 7/19   00:00:00  137kN
  +-  (4.41)   Depth: 9/35   00:00:02  1710kN
1...Qa8+--
  +-  (4.37)   Depth: 9/35   00:00:03  2570kN
  +-  (3.22)   Depth: 14/45   00:01:54  82279kN

(Utzinger, MyTown 04.01.2003)

Kurt

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