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Subject: Re: What is the real score here?

Author: John Merlino

Date: 08:46:58 01/04/03

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On January 04, 2003 at 05:33:23, Sune Fischer wrote:

>In a most recent game my engine ended up in this position as black:
>
>[D] 3q4/3P2kp/5p2/p7/1p1R2P1/8/2Q2PK1/4r3 b - - 0 1
>
>It played Kf8 here and Tinker played Qxh7 (instantly by the way, ponder hit I
>think) the score dropped to -6 real fast.
>Before Kf8 the score was drawish.
>
>Whenever I see something like that I'm interested in why it couldn't sense the
>danger sooner.
>
>It is a complicated position, I think white is winning, but have to be careful
>not getting a perpetual check. The question is, what is the real score here and
>what is the best move?
>But even more important, how do I make it fail low on Kf8 faster?
>
>-S.

Chessmaster 9000, on a P3-733, at depth 11, finds an interesting third move for
White in the 1...Qa8+ 2.f3 Qd8 line -- 3.g5! -- with an eval of almost +3. On
the next depth, it goes with a completely different line with 2...Re3, even more
winning for White:

Time	Depth	Score	Positions	Moves
0:00	1/3	4.03	2769		1...f5 2.Qc8 Re4 3.Rxe4
0:00	1/3	-0.26	3269		1...Kf8 2.Rd1 Rxd1 3.Qxd1
0:00	1/3	-0.32	4620		1...Kf7 2.Rd1 Rxd1 3.Qxd1
0:00	1/3	-0.48	8430		1...Qa8+ 2.Kg3 Rg1+ 3.Kf4 Qb8+
					4.Kf3
0:00	1/4	-0.10	14117		1...Qa8+ 2.f3 Qd8 3.Kf2 Rh1 4.Rd1
0:00	1/4	-0.37	18422		1...Kf8 2.Qxh7 b3 3.Qh8+ Ke7
0:00	1/5	-0.31	30553		1...Kf8 2.Qxh7 b3 3.Qh8+ Ke7 4.Qh7+
					Ke6 5.Qd3
0:03	1/6	0.00	89320		1...Kf8 2.Qxh7 b3 3.Qh8+ Ke7 4.Qh7+
					Ke6 5.Qf5+ Ke7 6.Qh7+
0:05	1/7	0.70	220832		1...Kf8 2.Qxh7 Re5 3.Kf1 b3 4.Rd6
					Rg5 5.Qh6+ Kg8 6.Rxf6
0:06	1/7	0.67	270723		1...Qa8+ 2.f3 Qd8 3.Qc8 Qe7 4.Re4
					Rxe4 5.d8=Q Re2+ 6.Kf1 Qxd8 7.Qxd8
0:11	1/8	0.17	666820		1...Qa8+ 2.f3 Qd8 3.Qc8 Qe7 4.Re4
					Rxe4 5.d8=Q Re2+ 6.Kf1 Re1+ 7.Kf2
					Qe2+ 8.Kg3
0:20	2/9	0.98	1469114		1...Qa8+ 2.f3 Qd8 3.Kf2 b3 4.Qxb3
					Qe7 5.Qd3 Rh1 6.Kg2
0:51	3/10	0.98	4035919		1...Qa8+ 2.f3 Qd8 3.Kf2 b3 4.Qxb3
					Qe7 5.Qd3 Rh1 6.Qe4 Rh2+ 7.Kf1
					Rh1+ 8.Ke2 Rh2+ 9.Ke3
2:02	4/11	2.94	10421802	1...Qa8+ 2.f3 Qd8 3.g5 fxg5 4.Kf2
					b3 5.Qc3 Re5 6.Rd6 Kf8 7.Qxe5 a4
8:08	5/12	4.63	41800334	1...Qa8+ 2.f3 Re3 3.Qf2 Re8 4.dxe8=Q
					Qxe8 5.Qd2 Qe6 6.Rd7+ Kg8 7.Ra7
					Qe8 8.Rxa5 b3 9.Qb2

jm



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