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Subject: Re: What is the real score here?

Author: Dieter Buerssner

Date: 04:12:04 01/05/03

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On January 04, 2003 at 05:33:23, Sune Fischer wrote:

>In a most recent game my engine ended up in this position as black:
>
>3q4/3P2kp/5p2/p7/1p1R2P1/8/2Q2PK1/4r3 b - - 0 1
>
>It played Kf8 here and Tinker played Qxh7 (instantly by the way, ponder hit I
>think) the score dropped to -6 real fast.
>Before Kf8 the score was drawish.
>
>Whenever I see something like that I'm interested in why it couldn't sense the
>danger sooner.

I think, such a behaviour is not always untypical in endgames with queens.

Yace, P4 2.53 GHz:

    815426   1.040   0.00  7.  1...Kf8 2. Qc5+ Kf7 3. Qc8 Ke7 4. Qc5+ Kf7 5.
                               Qc8 Ke7 6. Qc5+ Kf7 {80}
   1000698   1.281  -0.40  8-- 1...Kf8 2. Qxh7 Re2 3. Rc4 Rxf2+ 4. Kxf2 Qb6+
                               5. Kf3 Qb7+ 6. Ke2 Qd5 7. d8=Q+ Qxd8 {-340}
   1614517   2.108  -0.44  8t  1...Kf8 2. g5 Re5 3. gxf6 Rg5+ 4. Kf1 Rh5 5.
                               Qc8 Rh1+ 6. Ke2 {0}
   2770376   3.739  -0.44  8.  1...Kf8 2. g5 Re5 3. gxf6 Rg5+ 4. Kf1 Rh5 5.
                               Qc8 Rh1+ 6. Ke2 {0}
   3121172   4.229  -0.84  9-- 1...Kf8 2. g5 Re5 3. gxf6 Rg5+ 4. Kf1 Kf7 5.
                               Qxh7+ Kxf6 6. Qh6+ Kf5 7. Rd5+ Kg4 8. Rxg5+ Kf4
                               {-500}
   3503730   4.795  -1.84  9-- 1...Kf8 2. g5 Re5 3. f4 b3 4. Qc8 Qxc8 5.
                               dxc8=Q+ Ke7 {-841}
   5434634   7.327  -2.73  9t  1...Kf8 2. Rd6 Re7 3. Qc8 Rxd7 4. Qxd8+ Rxd8 5.
                               Rxd8+ Ke7H 6. Ra8H f5H 7. gxf5H {-420}
   6613263   8.976  -2.72  9t+ 1...Qa8+ 2. f3 Qd8 3. Rxb4
   7297301   9.954  -1.69  9t  1...Qa8+ 2. f3 Qd8 3. Qc8 Qe7 4. Re4 Rxe4 5.
                               d8=Q Re2+ 6. Kh3H Qxd8H {660}
   9470459  13.054  -1.69  9.  1...Qa8+ 2. f3 Qd8 3. Qc8 Qe7 4. Re4 Rxe4 5.
                               d8=Q Re2+ 6. Kh3 Qxd8 {660}
  12461787  17.349  -1.62 10t  1...Qa8+ 2. f3 Qd8 3. Kf2 b3 4. Qc8 Qe7 5. Re4
                               Rxe4 6. d8=Q Qxd8 7. Qxd8H {-341}
  17235069  24.013  -1.62 10.  1...Qa8+ 2. f3 Qd8 3. Kf2 b3 4. Qc8 Qe7 5. Re4
                               Rxe4 6. d8=Q Qxd8 7. Qxd8 {-341}
  26366801  37.196  -1.35 11t  1...Qa8+ 2. f3 Qd8 3. Qc8 Qe7 4. Re4 Rxe4 5.
                               d8=Q Re2+ 6. Kh3 Rh2+ 7. Kxh2 Qe2+H 8. Kg1H
                               Qe1+H 9. Kg2H Qe2+H 10. Kg3H Qe1+H 11. Kh3H
                               Qh1+H 12. Kg3H Qe1+H 13. Kh3H Qh1+H 14. Kg3H
                               Qe1+HR {-841}
  35822587  50.690  -1.35 11.  1...Qa8+ 2. f3 Qd8 3. Qc8 Qe7 4. Re4 Rxe4 5.
                               d8=Q Re2+ 6. Kh3 Rh2+ 7. Kxh2 Qe2+ 8. Kg1 Qe1+
                               9. Kg2 Qe2+ 10. Kg3 Qe1+ 11. Kh3 Qh1+ 12. Kg3
                               Qe1+ 13. Kh3 Qh1+ 14. Kg3 Qe1+ {-841}
  57011217  1:21.4  -1.75 12-- 1...Qa8+ 2. f3 Qd8 3. g5 fxg5 4. Kf2 Rh1 5. Qc8
                               Qe7 6. Re4 b3 7. Rxe7+ Kg6 {-841}
  60673716  1:26.4  -2.75 12-- 1...Qa8+ 2. f3 Qd8 3. g5 fxg5 4. Kf2 Rh1 5. Qc8
                               Qe7 6. Re4 b3 7. Rxe7+ Kg6 {-841}
 117583892  2:48.8  -4.12 12t  1...Qa8+ 2. f3 Qd8 3. Rd2 Qe7 4. d8=Q Re2+ 5.
                               Rxe2 Qxd8 6. Qc5 h5 7. Re7+ Kg8 8. gxh5 Qd2+ 9.
                               Kh3 a4 {-420}
 161499589  3:52.4  -4.12 12.  1...Qa8+ 2. f3 Qd8 3. Rd2 Qe7 4. d8=Q Re2+ 5.
                               Rxe2 Qxd8 6. Qc5 h5 7. Re7+ Kg8 8. gxh5 Qd2+ 9.
                               Kh3 a4 {-420}
 498006659 12:17.0  -4.32 13t  1...Qa8+ 2. f3 Qd8 3. Rd2 Qe7 4. d8=Q Re2+ 5.
                               Rxe2 Qxd8 6. Qc5 Kh6 7. Ra2 b3 8. Qe3+ Kg7 9.
                               Qa7+ Kg8 10. Rxa5H {HT} {-420}
 607602239 15:01.4  -4.32 13.  1...Qa8+ 2. f3 Qd8 3. Rd2 Qe7 4. d8=Q Re2+ 5.
                               Rxe2 Qxd8 6. Qc5 Kh6 7. Ra2 b3 8. Qe3+ Kg7 9.
                               Qa7+ Kg8 10. Rxa5 {HT} {-420}
2114193881 53:10.6  -4.35 14t  1...Qa8+ 2. f3 Qd8 3. Rd2 Qb6 4. d8=Q Re2+ 5.
                               Rxe2 Qxd8 6. Rd2H Qe7H 7. Rd5H Qf7H {HT} {-340}
2467225974 1:01:57  -4.35 14.  1...Qa8+ 2. f3 Qd8 3. Rd2 Qb6 4. d8=Q Re2+ 5.
                               Rxe2 Qxd8 6. Rd2 Qe7 7. Rd5 Qf7 {HT} {-340}

Regards,
Dieter



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