Author: Uri Blass
Date: 07:00:18 01/05/03
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On January 05, 2003 at 09:43:06, Timothy J. Frohlick wrote: >Ed, > >Your attack all falls to pieces when black responds with the pawn move 7..g6. >All my programs including Chess Tiger find this move on my slow PII 333Mhz after >two seconds and held it for over 15 ply. I am very impressed by the speed of your slow PII333 Mhz, Deep Fritz6(the first program that I tried) needed a long time to find 7...g6 It seems that your pII333 mhz is more than 30 times faster than my A1000 Crafty18.15 also needs more than 2 seconds to converge to g6 Yace another program that I tried needed few minutes(yace was slowed down bya significant factor but it ran most of the time before finding g6 in normal speed. > >Are you sure that you are not fudging the game? I really don't see 7..Ke6 as >being a real move by a real program. You did this sequence of moves before. It >doesn't work...we are not stupid and neither are today's top chess programs. > > >TJF 7...Ke6 is a move of a lot of chess programs(see analysis). I did not analyze if it is losing. Based on some analysis the losing move in the game seems to be Kb2 and black has probably a win with another move like Qe5. Uri Eduard Nemeth - Fritz 8,P [D]r1bq1b1r/pppp1kpp/2n5/7Q/3pn3/P5P1/1PP2P1P/RNB1K1NR b KQ - 0 1 Analysis by Deep Fritz: 7...g7-g6-- -+ (-4.19) Depth: 1/2 00:00:00 7...g7-g6-- 8.Qh5-d5+ Kf7-g7 µ (-1.38) Depth: 1/6 00:00:00 7...Kf7-e6 8.Qh5-g4+ Ke6-d5 9.f2-f3 Ne4-c5 -+ (-3.78) Depth: 4/14 00:00:00 6kN 7...Kf7-e6 8.Qh5-g4+ Ke6-d5 9.f2-f3 Ne4-c5 -+ (-3.78) Depth: 4/14 00:00:00 6kN 7...Kf7-e6 8.Qh5-g4+ Ke6-d5 9.f2-f3 Ne4-c5 -+ (-3.78) Depth: 4/14 00:00:00 6kN 7...Kf7-e6 8.Qh5-g4+ Ke6-d5 9.f2-f3 Ne4-c5 -+ (-3.78) Depth: 4/14 00:00:00 6kN 7...Kf7-e6 8.Qh5-g4+ Ke6-d5 9.f2-f3 Ne4-c5 -+ (-3.78) Depth: 4/14 00:00:00 6kN 7...Kf7-e6 8.Qh5-g4+ Ke6-d5 9.f2-f3 Ne4-c5 -+ (-3.78) Depth: 4/14 00:00:00 6kN 7...Kf7-e6 8.Qh5-g4+ Ke6-d5 9.f2-f3 Ne4-c5 -+ (-3.78) Depth: 4/14 00:00:00 6kN 7...Kf7-e6 8.Qh5-g4+ Ke6-d5 9.f2-f3 Ne4-c5 -+ (-3.78) Depth: 4/14 00:00:00 6kN 7...Kf7-e6 8.Qh5-g4+ Ke6-d5 9.f2-f3 Ne4-c5 -+ (-3.78) Depth: 4/14 00:00:00 6kN 7...Kf7-e6 8.Qh5-h3+ Ke6-d5 9.f2-f3 Ne4-c5 10.Ng1-e2 -+ (-3.69) Depth: 5/20 00:00:00 19kN 7...Kf7-e6-- -+ (-3.38) Depth: 6/21 00:00:00 44kN 7...Kf7-e6-- 8.Qh5-g4+ Ke6-d5 9.c2-c4+ d4xc3 10.Qg4-f3 Kd5-e5 11.Bc1-f4+ Ke5-f6 -+ (-2.91) Depth: 6/23 00:00:00 53kN 7...Kf7-e6-- -+ (-2.59) Depth: 7/17 00:00:00 57kN 7...Kf7-e6-- 8.Qh5-g4+ Ke6-d5 9.c2-c4+ d4xc3 10.Qg4-f3 Kd5-c5 11.Qf3xe4 d7-d5 -+ (-2.22) Depth: 7/28 00:00:00 162kN 7...Kf7-e6 8.Qh5-g4+ Ke6-d5 9.c2-c4+ Kd5xc4 10.Qg4xe4 Qd8-e7 11.Nb1-d2+ Kc4-b5 12.a3-a4+ Kb5-b6 -+ (-2.22) Depth: 8/26 00:00:00 364kN 7...Kf7-e6 8.Qh5-g4+ Ke6-d5 9.c2-c4+ Kd5xc4 10.Qg4xe4 Qd8-e7 11.Nb1-d2+ Kc4-b5 12.Ng1-f3 Qe7xe4+ 13.Nd2xe4 -+ (-2.34) Depth: 9/30 00:00:02 1127kN 7...Kf7-e6 8.Qh5-g4+ Ke6-d5 9.c2-c4+ Kd5xc4 10.Qg4xe4 Qd8-e7 11.Nb1-d2+ Kc4-b5 12.a3-a4+ Kb5-b4 13.Ng1-f3 -+ (-2.53) Depth: 10/34 00:00:06 3293kN 7...Kf7-e6 8.Qh5-g4+ Ke6-d5 9.c2-c4+ Kd5xc4 10.Qg4xe4 Qd8-e7 11.Nb1-d2+ Kc4-b5 12.f2-f3 d7-d5 13.Qe4-e2+ -+ (-2.59) Depth: 11/35 00:00:18 10073kN 7...Kf7-e6-- -+ (-2.28) Depth: 12/39 00:00:27 15097kN 7...Kf7-e6-- 8.Qh5-g4+ Ke6-d5 9.Qg4-f5+ Nc6-e5 10.c2-c4+ d4xc3 11.Ng1-e2 c3xb2 12.Bc1xb2 Qd8-e7 13.0-0 -+ (-2.13) Depth: 12/44 00:00:58 32244kN 7...g7-g6! -+ (-2.16) Depth: 12/44 00:01:02 34923kN 7...g7-g6! 8.Qh5-d5+ Kf7-g7 9.Qd5xe4 Bf8xa3 10.Ng1-e2 Rh8-e8 11.Qe4-f3 -+ (-2.38) Depth: 12/44 00:01:06 36838kN (Blass, Tel-aviv 05.01.2003) Eduard Nemeth - Fritz 8,P r1bq1b1r/pppp1kpp/2n5/7Q/3pn3/P5P1/1PP2P1P/RNB1K1NR b KQ - 0 1 Analysis by Crafty 18.15: 7...Kf7-f6 -+ (-7.00) Depth: 1/2 00:00:00 7...Kf7-f6 8.Qh5-f3+ Kf6-e5 -+ (-5.71) Depth: 2/2 00:00:00 7...Kf7-e6 8.Qh5-g4+ Ke6-e5 -+ (-5.85) Depth: 2/2 00:00:00 7...Kf7-e7 8.Ng1-f3 -+ (-6.00) Depth: 2/2 00:00:00 7...Kf7-e7 8.Qh5-h4+ Ne4-f6 9.Ke1-d1 -+ (-5.68) Depth: 3/6 00:00:00 7...Kf7-e7 8.Qh5-e2 Ke7-e6 9.Qe2xe4+ Ke6-f7 -+ (-2.51) Depth: 4/8 00:00:00 7...Kf7-e6 8.Qh5-g4+ Ke6-d5 9.Qg4-f5+ Nc6-e5 10.Ng1-f3 -+ (-4.89) Depth: 4/8 00:00:00 7...Kf7-e6 8.Qh5-g4+ Ke6-d5 9.c2-c4+ d4xc3 10.f2-f3 Ne4-f6 11.Nb1xc3+ -+ (-4.89) Depth: 5/12 00:00:00 7...Kf7-e6 8.Qh5-g4+ Ke6-d5 9.c2-c4+ d4xc3 10.Qg4-f5+ Nc6-e5 11.f2-f3 Ne4-f6 12.Nb1xc3+ -+ (-4.58) Depth: 6/15 00:00:00 43kN 7...Kf7-e6 8.Qh5-g4+ Ke6-d5 9.Qg4-h5+ Kd5-d6 10.Qh5-f5 Ne4-f6 11.Bc1-f4+ Kd6-e7 12.Ke1-d1 -+ (-4.81) Depth: 7/18 00:00:01 311kN 7...Kf7-e6 8.Qh5-g4+ Ke6-d5 9.c2-c4+ d4xc3 10.Qg4-f3 c3xb2 11.Bc1xb2 Nc6-e5 12.Nb1-c3+ Kd5-e6 13.Qf3xe4 Ke6-f6 -+ (-2.86) Depth: 8/21 00:00:02 925kN 7...g7-g6 8.Qh5-d5+ Kf7-g7 9.Qd5xe4 Bf8xa3 10.Ke1-d1 d7-d5 11.Qe4-f3 Ba3-b4 -+ (-3.11) Depth: 8/21 00:00:03 1165kN 7...g7-g6 8.Qh5-d5+ Kf7-g7 9.Qd5xe4 Bf8xa3 10.Ke1-d1 Rh8-e8 11.Qe4-f3 Ba3-b4 12.Bc1-f4 -+ (-2.81) Depth: 9/25 00:00:04 1479kN 7...Kf7-e6 8.Qh5-g4+ Ke6-d5 9.c2-c4+ d4xc3 10.Qg4-f3 c3xb2 11.Nb1-c3+ Kd5-e6 12.Qf3xe4+ Ke6-f7 13.Qe4-d5+ Kf7-f6 14.Qd5-g5+ Kf6-e6 15.Qg5-d5+ Ke6-f6 16.Bc1xb2 -+ (-2.84) Depth: 9/25 00:00:11 4449kN 7...Kf7-e6 8.Qh5-g4+ Ke6-d5 9.c2-c4+ d4xc3 10.Qg4-f3 c3xb2 11.Nb1-c3+ Kd5-e6 12.Qf3xe4+ Nc6-e5 13.Bc1xb2 d7-d5 14.Ra1-d1 d5xe4 15.Rd1xd8 -+ (-2.85) Depth: 10/25 00:00:22 9404kN 7...g7-g6 8.Qh5-d5+ Kf7-g7 9.Qd5xe4 Bf8xa3 10.Ng1-e2 Rh8-e8 11.Qe4-d3 Ba3-c5 12.0-0 Qd8-f6 -+ (-3.00) Depth: 10/25 00:00:25 10817kN 7...g7-g6 8.Qh5-d5+ Kf7-g7 9.Qd5xe4 Bf8xa3 10.Qe4-d3 Ba3-b4+ 11.Bc1-d2 Qd8-f6 12.Ke1-d1 Bb4-c5 13.Bd2-f4 d7-d6 -+ (-3.03) Depth: 11/28 00:00:31 13550kN (Blass, Tel-aviv 05.01.2003) Eduard Nemeth - Fritz 8,P r1bq1b1r/pppp1kpp/2n5/7Q/3pn3/P5P1/1PP2P1P/RNB1K1NR b KQ - 0 1 Analysis by Yace 0.99.56: 7...g7-g6 -+ (-4.63) Depth: 1 00:00:02 7...g7-g6 8.Qh5-d5+ Kf7-e8 9.Qd5xe4+ -+ (-2.57) Depth: 2 00:00:02 7...g7-g6 8.Qh5-d5+ Kf7-f6 9.Qd5xe4 Bf8xa3 -+ (-1.47) Depth: 2 00:00:02 7...g7-g6 8.Qh5-d5+ Kf7-e8 µ (-0.87) Depth: 2 00:00:02 7...Kf7-e7 8.Qh5-g5+ Ne4xg5 9.Bc1xg5+ Ke7-f7 10.Bg5xd8 µ (-1.08) Depth: 2 00:00:02 7...Kf7-e7 8.Bc1-g5+ Ne4xg5 -+ (-4.04) Depth: 2 00:00:02 7...Kf7-f6 8.Ng1-f3 -+ (-4.18) Depth: 2 00:00:02 7...Kf7-f6 8.Qh5-h4+ Kf6-g6 9.Qh4xe4+ Kg6-f6 -+ (-3.78) Depth: 3 00:00:02 7...Kf7-f6 8.Qh5-f3+ Kf6-e7 9.Qf3xe4+ Nc6-e5 -+ (-2.78) Depth: 3 00:00:02 7...Kf7-f6 8.Qh5-f3+ Kf6-e5 9.Bc1-f4+ Ke5-d5 10.c2-c4+ Kd5xc4 11.Qf3xe4 -+ (-1.58) Depth: 3 00:00:02 7...Kf7-e7 8.Qh5-f3 -+ (-1.59) Depth: 3 00:00:02 7...Kf7-e7 8.Qh5-h4+ Ne4-f6 9.Bc1-g5 -+ (-4.08) Depth: 3 00:00:02 7...Kf7-e6 8.Qh5-h3+ Ke6-d6 9.Bc1-f4+ Kd6-e7 10.Ng1-e2 -+ (-4.11) Depth: 3 00:00:02 7...Kf7-e6 8.Qh5-g4+ Ke6-d5 9.c2-c4+ d4xc3 10.Nb1xc3+ Ne4xc3 11.b2xc3 -+ (-4.21) Depth: 3 00:00:02 7...Kf7-e6 8.Qh5-g4+ Ke6-d5 9.Qg4-h5+ Kd5-d6 10.Bc1-f4+ Kd6-e7 11.Ng1-e2 -+ (-4.07) Depth: 4 00:00:02 7...Kf7-e6 8.Qh5-g4+ Ke6-d5 9.Qg4-h5+ Kd5-d6 10.Qh5-f5 Ne4-f6 11.Bc1-g5 -+ (-4.00) Depth: 5 00:00:02 59kN 7...Kf7-e6 8.Qh5-g4+ Ke6-d5 9.Qg4-h5+ Kd5-d6 10.Bc1-f4+ Kd6-e6 11.Qh5-g4+ Ke6-d5 12.Qg4-h5+ g7-g5 13.f2-f3 Kd5-e6 14.f3xe4 g5xf4 15.g3xf4 Bf8xa3 -+ (-3.60) Depth: 6 00:00:02 76kN 7...Kf7-e6 8.Qh5-g4+ Ke6-d5 9.Qg4-h5+ g7-g5 10.f2-f3 Ne4-d6 11.Qh5xg5+ Qd8xg5 12.Bc1xg5 -+ (-3.29) Depth: 6 00:00:03 76kN 7...Kf7-e6 8.Qh5-g4+ Ke6-d5 9.c2-c4+ d4xc3 10.Qg4-f3 c3xb2 11.Nb1-c3+ Kd5-c4 12.Qf3xe4+ Nc6-d4 13.Bc1xb2 d7-d5 -+ (-2.89) Depth: 7 00:00:03 430kN 7...Kf7-e6 8.Qh5-g4+ Ke6-d5 9.c2-c4+ d4xc3 10.Qg4-f3 c3xb2 11.Nb1-c3+ Kd5-d4 12.Ng1-e2+ Kd4-c4 13.Qf3xe4+ Nc6-d4 14.Qe4xd4+ Kc4-b3 -+ (-1.89) Depth: 7 00:00:04 430kN 7...Kf7-e6 8.Qh5-g4+ Ke6-d5 9.c2-c4+ Kd5xc4 10.Qg4xe4 Qd8-e7 11.Nb1-d2+ Kc4-b5 12.Ng1-e2 Qe7xe4 13.a3-a4+ Kb5-a5 -+ (-1.85) Depth: 7 00:00:06 1099kN 7...g7-g6 8.Qh5-d5+ Kf7-g7 9.Qd5xe4 Bf8xa3 10.Qe4-f4 Rh8-e8+ 11.Ke1-d2 Ba3-b4+ 12.c2-c3 d4xc3+ 13.Kd2-d3 -+ (-1.86) Depth: 7 00:00:06 1472kN 7...g7-g6 8.Qh5-d5+ Kf7-g7 9.Qd5xe4 Bf8xa3 10.Qe4-d3 Ba3-b4+ 11.Ke1-f1 Rh8-f8 12.Kf1-g2 -+ (-1.95) Depth: 7 00:00:07 1472kN 7...g7-g6 8.Qh5-d5+ Kf7-g7 9.Qd5xe4 Bf8xa3 10.Ke1-f1 d7-d5 11.Qe4-f3 Ba3-e7 12.Ng1-e2 -+ (-1.99) Depth: 8 00:00:08 1848kN 7...g7-g6 8.Qh5-d5+ Kf7-g7 9.Qd5xe4 Bf8xa3 10.Qe4-d5 Ba3-b4+ 11.Ke1-f1 Qd8-g8 12.Qd5-b5 d7-d5 13.Kf1-g2 -+ (-1.98) Depth: 9 00:00:11 3010kN 7...Kf7-e6 8.Qh5-g4+ Ke6-d5 9.c2-c4+ Kd5xc4 10.Qg4xe4 Qd8-e7 11.Nb1-d2+ Kc4-b5 12.Qe4xe7 Bf8xe7 13.a3-a4+ Kb5-a5 14.Nd2-c4+ Ka5-b4 15.Ng1-f3 -+ (-1.99) Depth: 9 00:00:45 15635kN 7...Kf7-e6 8.Qh5-g4+ Ke6-d5 9.c2-c4+ Kd5xc4 10.Qg4xe4 Qd8-e7 11.Nb1-d2+ Kc4-b5 12.a3-a4+ Kb5-a5 13.Ng1-e2 Qe7xe4 14.Nd2xe4 d7-d5 -+ (-2.12) Depth: 9 00:00:59 20121kN 7...Kf7-e6 8.Qh5-g4+ Ke6-d5 9.c2-c4+ Kd5xc4 10.Qg4xe4 Qd8-e7 11.Nb1-d2+ Kc4-b5 12.Qe4xe7 Bf8xe7 13.Ng1-e2 Kb5-a6 14.0-0 d7-d5 -+ (-2.03) Depth: 10 00:02:51 59893kN 7...g7-g6 8.Qh5-d5+ Kf7-g7 9.Qd5xe4 Bf8xa3 10.Qe4-d5 Ba3-b4+ 11.Ke1-f1 Qd8-g8 12.Qd5-b5 d7-d5 13.Ng1-e2 a7-a6 -+ (-2.04) Depth: 10 00:02:57 62158kN 7...g7-g6 8.Qh5-d5+ Kf7-g7 9.Qd5xe4 Bf8xa3 10.Ke1-f1 d7-d5 11.Qe4-f4 Ba3-e7 12.Qf4-h6+ Kg7-f7 13.Ng1-e2 Bc8-g4 -+ (-2.09) Depth: 10 00:03:01 63490kN (Blass, Tel-aviv 05.01.2003)
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