Author: Kolss
Date: 09:46:35 01/11/03
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On January 11, 2003 at 11:14:10, Robert Hyatt wrote: >On January 11, 2003 at 07:43:24, Drexel,Michael wrote: > >>[D] 4nnk1/8/6b1/4BP2/2N1B1K1/8/8/8 b - - 0 1 >> >>I just came over this endgame position with Crafty 19.01 as analysis engine in >>CB-GUI. Crafty suggested 1...Bxf5+ with a score of 0.01. >>1...Bf7 seems to be a simple draw. >>you probably told him 3 pieces against 2 pieces without pawns is draw, but I >>doubt this is a good idea in the endgame BBNK vs. NNK. You might be better >>informed but I would think this endgame is almost always a win and would even >>assume that it is almost always a win within 50 moves. >>If I were a tablebase-expert like you, I would fix it immediatly, whether it is >>important or not. >> >> >>In games against Fritz 8 Crafty will resign in not more than 8 moves: >> >>[Event "ATHLONXP"] >>[Site "ATHLONXP"] >>[Date "2003.01.5"] >>[Round "1"] >>[White "Fritz 8"] >>[Black "Crafty 19.01"] >>[Result "1-0"] >>[SetUp "1"] >>[FEN "4nnk1/8/6b1/4BP2/2N1B1K1/8/8/8 b - - 0 1"] >>[PlyCount "14"] >> >>1... Bxf5+ 2. Bxf5 Ng7 3. Be4 Nge6 4. Kf5 Kf7 5. Bd5 Ke7 6. Bd6+ Kd7 7. Ke5 >>Ng6+ 8. Kf6 1-0 > >First, Crafty well knows that KBB vs KN is a win. But it isn't seeing that >here until way deep into the search. In 99.999999999999% of these endgames >with 3 minors vs 2 minors, the game is a draw. Handling that one special case >here and there is not going to make it play better, and would almost certainly >hurt it overall as it really should say KBBN vs KNN is a draw in almost all >cases. I do not agree. IMHO, the stronger side should win in most cases. Especially if you score all positions as 0.01, you will allow the opponent to make progress, drive your king into a corner and seperate the knights. Regards, Munjong.
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