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Subject: Re: an endgame test position

Author: Uri Blass

Date: 10:26:27 01/13/03

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On January 13, 2003 at 10:46:14, Will Singleton wrote:

>On January 13, 2003 at 09:53:42, Ernst Walet wrote:
>
>>Fritz8 plays Rxc3 here.
>>
>>Ernst.
>>
>>New game
>>8/2p5/1b6/1P1K1B2/1P1p4/R1r3P1/3k3P/8 w - - 0 1
>>
>>Analysis by Fritz 8:
>>
>>103.Ra2+--
>>  ±  (0.88)   Depth: 7/17   00:00:00  33kN
>>103.Ra2+ Ke3 104.g4 d3 105.g5 d2 106.Bg4 Kf4
>>  ²  (0.63)   Depth: 7/27   00:00:00  81kN
>>103.Ra1!
>>  ²  (0.66)   Depth: 7/27   00:00:00  85kN
>>103.Ra1!
>>  ±  (0.81)   Depth: 7/27   00:00:00  86kN
>>103.Ra1!
>>  ±  (1.13)   Depth: 7/27   00:00:00  91kN
>>103.Ra1 Re3 104.g4 d3 105.g5 Rf3 106.Bg4 Rf4 107.Rd1+ Ke3
>>  ±  (1.25)   Depth: 8/19   00:00:00  184kN
>>103.Ra1--
>>  ±  (0.97)   Depth: 9/20   00:00:00  254kN
>>103.Ra1 d3 104.g4
>>  ±  (0.97)   Depth: 9/33   00:00:00  357kN
>>103.Ra1 d3 104.h4 Ke2 105.Bg4+ Kf2 106.Rd1 Kxg3 107.Bf5 Kxh4 108.Bxd3 Rb3
>>  ±  (0.84)   Depth: 10/23   00:00:01  614kN
>>103.Rxc3!
>>  ±  (0.88)   Depth: 10/23   00:00:01  642kN
>>103.Rxc3!
>>  ±  (1.03)   Depth: 10/23   00:00:01  654kN
>>103.Rxc3--
>>  ±  (0.75)   Depth: 11/22   00:00:02  836kN
>>103.Rxc3 dxc3 104.g4
>>  ±  (0.75)   Depth: 11/22   00:00:02  859kN
>>103.Ra1!
>>  ±  (0.78)   Depth: 11/26   00:00:02  1300kN
>>103.Ra1!
>>  ±  (0.94)   Depth: 11/27   00:00:03  1444kN
>>103.Ra1 d3 104.g4 Ke3 105.Re1+ Kf2 106.Rd1 Ke2
>>  ±  (0.97)   Depth: 11/27   00:00:03  1646kN
>>103.Ra1 d3 104.g4 Ke3 105.Re1+ Kf2 106.Rd1 Ke2
>>  ±  (0.97)   Depth: 12/28   00:00:05  2428kN
>>103.Rxc3!
>>  ±  (1.00)   Depth: 12/28   00:00:05  2516kN
>>103.Rxc3!
>>  ±  (1.16)   Depth: 12/28   00:00:05  2579kN
>>103.Rxc3 dxc3 104.g4 Be3 105.Kc6 Bf4 106.h3 Kd1 107.h4 Bg3 108.h5 Bf4 109.Be4
>>  ±  (1.38)   Depth: 13/24   00:00:06  3345kN
>>103.Rxc3 dxc3 104.g4 Be3 105.Kc6 Bf4 106.h4 Bg3 107.h5 Bf4 108.b6 cxb6 109.Kxb6
>>Be3+ 110.Kb5 Bf4 111.Kc4 Be3 112.Be4
>>  +-  (1.50)   Depth: 14/31   00:00:09  4666kN, tb=1
>>103.Rxc3 dxc3 104.g4 Be3 105.Kc6 Bf4 106.h4 Bg3 107.h5 Bf4 108.b6 cxb6 109.Kxb6
>>Be3+ 110.Kb5 Bf4 111.Kc4 Be3 112.Be4
>>  +-  (1.50)   Depth: 15/32   00:00:13  6878kN, tb=3
>>103.Rxc3!
>>  +-  (1.78)   Depth: 16/36   00:00:22  12488kN, tb=9
>>103.Rxc3 dxc3 104.g4 Ke3 105.h4 Kf4 106.h5 Kg5 107.Kc4 c2 108.Bxc2 Bf2 109.Bf5
>>Bb6 110.Kc3
>>  +-  (1.78)   Depth: 17/40   00:00:42  24343kN, tb=32
>>103.Rxc3 dxc3 104.g4 Ke3 105.h4 Kf4 106.h5 Kg5 107.Kc4 c2 108.Bxc2 Bf2 109.Bf5
>>Bb6 110.Kd5
>>  +-  (1.84)   Depth: 18/34   00:01:29  52846kN, tb=326
>>103.Rxc3 dxc3 104.g4 Ke3 105.h4 Kf4 106.h5 Kg5 107.Kc4 c2 108.Bxc2 Bf2 109.Bf5
>>Bb6 110.Kd5
>>  +-  (1.84)   Depth: 19/45   00:03:27  124229kN, tb=1136
>>103.Rxc3!
>>  +-  (2.13)   Depth: 20/47   00:06:28  234825kN, tb=2966
>>103.Rxc3!
>>  +-  (2.41)   Depth: 21/46   00:14:20  525435kN, tb=8642
>>
>>(Celeron 1.2GHz, 512MB hash, 3, 4 and 5 piece EGTB's 13.01.2003)
>
>Yes, but that score is based on the reply dxc3, which appears to lose.  Kxc3
>should draw.  How long does Fritz take, having played Rxe3, to take back with
>the king?
>
>Will

I do not believe that Kxc3 draws.

A possible  line with Deep fritz after Kxc3 is g4 Kxb4 Bd3 Bc5 Kc6 Be7 Kxc7

And now yace says

New position
8/2K1b3/8/1P6/1k1p2P1/3B4/7P/8 b - - 0 1

Analysis by Yace 0.99.56:

5...Be7-d8+ 6.Kc7xd8
  +-  (6.35)   Depth: 1   00:00:02
5...Be7-f8
  +-  (2.37)   Depth: 1   00:00:02
5...Be7-g5
  +-  (2.31)   Depth: 1   00:00:02
5...Kb4-c5
  +-  (2.17)   Depth: 1   00:00:02
5...Kb4-c5 6.b5-b6
  +-  (2.35)   Depth: 2   00:00:02
5...Kb4-c3 6.h2-h3
  +-  (2.31)   Depth: 2   00:00:02
5...Kb4-c3 6.Bd3-f5
  +-  (2.24)   Depth: 2   00:00:02
5...Kb4-c3 6.Kc7-d7 Be7-g5
  +-  (2.27)   Depth: 3   00:00:02
5...Kb4-c5 6.h2-h3
  +-  (2.25)   Depth: 3   00:00:02
5...Kb4-c5 6.h2-h3 Be7-g5
  +-  (2.16)   Depth: 3   00:00:02
5...Kb4-c5 6.h2-h3 Be7-d6+ 7.Kc7-d7
  +-  (2.26)   Depth: 4   00:00:02
5...Kb4-c5 6.h2-h3 Be7-d6+ 7.Kc7-d7 Kc5-d5
  +-  (2.22)   Depth: 5   00:00:02  2kN
5...Kb4-c3 6.Kc7-d7 Be7-g5 7.Bd3-e2
  +-  (2.21)   Depth: 5   00:00:02  2kN
5...Kb4-c3 6.Bd3-f1 d4-d3 7.b5-b6 d3-d2 8.Bf1-e2
  +-  (2.09)   Depth: 5   00:00:02  2kN
5...Kb4-c3 6.Kc7-d7 Be7-g5 7.Bd3-f5 d4-d3 8.b5-b6
  +-  (2.21)   Depth: 6   00:00:02  8kN
5...Kb4-c3 6.Bd3-f1 Be7-g5 7.Kc7-c6 d4-d3 8.b5-b6 d3-d2 9.Bf1-e2
  +-  (2.11)   Depth: 7   00:00:02  30kN
5...Kb4-c3 6.Bd3-f1 Be7-g5 7.b5-b6 d4-d3 8.b6-b7 Bg5-f4+ 9.Kc7-c8 d3-d2
10.Bf1-e2
  +-  (2.18)   Depth: 8   00:00:02  61kN
5...Kb4-c3 6.Bd3-f1 Be7-g5 7.b5-b6 d4-d3 8.b6-b7 d3-d2 9.Bf1-e2 d2-d1Q 10.Be2xd1
Bg5-f4+ 11.Kc7-c6 Bf4xh2
  +-  (2.58)   Depth: 9   00:00:02  106kN
5...Kb4-c3 6.Bd3-f1 Be7-g5 7.b5-b6 Bg5-f4+ 8.Kc7-c8 d4-d3 9.b6-b7 d3-d2
10.Bf1-e2 Bf4xh2 11.b7-b8Q Bh2xb8 12.Kc8xb8
  +-  (2.65)   Depth: 9   00:00:02  106kN
5...Kb4-c5 6.h2-h3
  +-  (2.64)   Depth: 9   00:00:02  152kN
5...Kb4-c5 6.b5-b6 Be7-d6+ 7.Kc7-b7 Kc5-b4 8.h2-h4 Kb4-c3 9.Bd3-f5 d4-d3
10.g4-g5
  +-  (2.54)   Depth: 9   00:00:02  152kN
5...Kb4-c5 6.b5-b6 Be7-d6+ 7.Kc7-b7 Kc5-b4 8.Kb7-c8 Kb4-c3 9.Bd3-f1 d4-d3
10.b6-b7 d3-d2
  +-  (2.65)   Depth: 10   00:00:02  286kN
5...Kb4-c5 6.b5-b6 Be7-d6+ 7.Kc7-b7 Kc5-b4 8.Kb7-c8 Kb4-c3 9.Bd3-f1 d4-d3
10.b6-b7 d3-d2 11.Bf1-e2 Bd6xh2 12.b7-b8Q
  +-  (2.65)   Depth: 11   00:00:03  456kN
5...Kb4-c5 6.b5-b6 Be7-d6+ 7.Kc7-b7 Kc5-b4 8.Kb7-c8 Kb4-c3 9.Bd3-f1 d4-d3
10.b6-b7 d3-d2 11.Bf1-e2 Bd6xh2 12.Be2-d1 Kc3-d4
  +-  (2.78)   Depth: 12   00:00:03  657kN
5...Kb4-c5 6.b5-b6 Be7-d6+ 7.Kc7-b7 Kc5-b4 8.Kb7-c8 Kb4-c3 9.g4-g5 Bd6-c5
10.b6-b7 Bc5-a7 11.g5-g6 Kc3-d2 12.g6-g7 Kd2-c3
  +-  (3.18)   Depth: 13   00:00:04  1216kN
5...Kb4-c5 6.b5-b6 Be7-d6+ 7.Kc7-b7 Bd6xh2 8.g4-g5 Bh2-d6 9.g5-g6 Bd6-f8
10.Kb7-a7 Kc5-d5
  +-  (3.60)   Depth: 13   00:00:05  1216kN
5...Kb4-c3 6.Bd3-f1 Be7-g5 7.b5-b6 Bg5-f4+ 8.Kc7-c8 d4-d3 9.b6-b7 d3-d2
10.b7-b8N
  +-  (3.59)   Depth: 13   00:00:06  2165kN
5...Kb4-c3 6.Bd3-f1 Be7-g5 7.b5-b6 Bg5-f4+ 8.Kc7-c8 d4-d3 9.b6-b7 d3-d2
10.Bf1-e2 Bf4xh2 11.g4-g5 Kc3-d4 12.Be2-d1 Kd4-e4 13.b7-b8Q
  +-  (3.07)   Depth: 13   00:00:08  2726kN
5...Kb4-c3 6.Bd3-f1 Be7-g5 7.b5-b6 Bg5-f4+ 8.Kc7-c8 d4-d3 9.b6-b7 d3-d2
10.Bf1-e2 Kc3-c2
  +-  (3.47)   Depth: 14   00:00:09  3637kN
5...Kb4-c3 6.Bd3-f1 Kc3-b4 7.b5-b6 Kb4-c5 8.b6-b7 Be7-d6+ 9.Kc7-c8 Bd6xh2
10.g4-g5 Kc5-d5 11.g5-g6 Kd5-e6 12.Bf1-d3 Bh2-d6
  +-  (3.65)   Depth: 14   00:00:15  6456kN
5...Kb4-c3 6.Bd3-f5 Be7-g5 7.b5-b6 Bg5-f4+ 8.Kc7-c8 Kc3-d2
  +-  (4.05)   Depth: 15   00:00:29  12275kN
5...Kb4-c3 6.Bd3-f5 Be7-g5 7.b5-b6 Bg5-f4+ 8.Kc7-c8 Bf4-e3 9.b6-b7 d4-d3
10.b7-b8Q d3-d2 11.Qb8-b1 d2-d1N
  +-  (5.05)   Depth: 15   00:00:31  13295kN
5...Kb4-c3 6.Bd3-f5 Kc3-c4 7.b5-b6 Kc4-d5 8.Kc7-c8 Be7-d6 9.b6-b7 Kd5-e5
10.b7-b8Q Bd6xb8 11.Kc8xb8 Ke5-f4 12.Kb8-c7 d4-d3 13.Bf5xd3 Kf4xg4 14.Kc7-d6
  +-  (5.05)   Depth: 15   00:00:43  18837kN
5...Kb4-c3 6.Bd3-f5 Kc3-c4 7.b5-b6 Kc4-d5 8.Kc7-d7 Be7-c5 9.g4-g5 d4-d3 10.g5-g6
d3-d2 11.Bf5-c2 Kd5-d4 12.g6-g7 d2-d1R 13.g7-g8Q Rd1-c1
  +-  (5.45)   Depth: 16   00:00:54  24244kN
5...Kb4-c3 6.Bd3-b1 Kc3-b4 7.Kc7-c6
  +-  (5.71)   Depth: 16   00:01:23  37904kN

(Blass, Tel-aviv 13.01.2003)


Yace can learn the following when I go back and the alternative 2...d3 3.g5 also
seems to lose because black cannot stop so many pawns.

New position
8/2p5/1b6/1P1K1B2/1k1p2P1/8/7P/8 w - - 0 1

Analysis by Yace 0.99.56:

3.h2-h4 Kb4xb5
  ²  (0.60)   Depth: 1   00:00:00
3.Bf5-d7
  ±  (1.09)   Depth: 1   00:00:00
3.Bf5-d3 Bb6-c5 4.Kd5-c6 Kb4-c3 5.Bd3-f1 Bc5-b6 6.g4-g5 d4-d3 7.g5-g6 d3-d2
8.Bf1-e2 Bb6-d4 9.Kc6xc7 Bd4-e5+ 10.Kc7-c8 Kc3-d4 11.b5-b6 Kd4-d5 12.Kc8-d7
Be5xh2 13.g6-g7 d2-d1R
  +-  (4.37)   Depth: 1   00:00:00
3.Bf5-d3 Bb6-c5 4.Kd5-c6 Kb4-c3 5.Bd3-f1 Bc5-b6 6.g4-g5 d4-d3 7.g5-g6 d3-d2
8.Bf1-e2 Bb6-d4 9.Kc6xc7 Bd4-e5+ 10.Kc7-c8 Kc3-d4 11.b5-b6 Kd4-d5 12.Kc8-d7
Be5xh2 13.g6-g7 d2-d1R
  +-  (4.37)   Depth: 2   00:00:00
3.Bf5-d3 Bb6-c5 4.Kd5-c6 Kb4-c3 5.Bd3-f1 Bc5-b6 6.g4-g5 d4-d3 7.g5-g6 d3-d2
8.Bf1-e2 Bb6-d4 9.Kc6xc7 Bd4-e5+ 10.Kc7-c8 Kc3-d4 11.b5-b6 Kd4-d5 12.Kc8-d7
Be5xh2 13.g6-g7 d2-d1R
  +-  (4.37)   Depth: 3   00:00:00
3.Bf5-d3 Bb6-c5 4.Kd5-c6 Kb4-c3 5.Bd3-f1 Bc5-b6 6.g4-g5 d4-d3 7.g5-g6 d3-d2
8.Bf1-e2 Bb6-d4 9.Kc6xc7 Bd4-e5+ 10.Kc7-c8 Kc3-d4 11.b5-b6 Kd4-d5 12.Kc8-d7
Be5xh2 13.g6-g7 d2-d1R
  +-  (4.37)   Depth: 4   00:00:00
3.Bf5-d3 Bb6-c5 4.Kd5-c6 Kb4-c3 5.Bd3-f1 Bc5-b6 6.g4-g5 d4-d3 7.g5-g6 d3-d2
8.Bf1-e2 Bb6-d4 9.Kc6xc7 Bd4-e5+ 10.Kc7-c8 Kc3-d4 11.b5-b6 Kd4-d5 12.Kc8-d7
Be5xh2 13.g6-g7 d2-d1R
  +-  (4.37)   Depth: 5   00:00:00
3.Bf5-d3 Bb6-c5 4.Kd5-c6 Kb4-c3 5.Bd3-f1 Bc5-b6 6.g4-g5 d4-d3 7.g5-g6 d3-d2
8.Bf1-e2 Bb6-d4 9.Kc6xc7 Bd4-e5+ 10.Kc7-c8 Kc3-d4 11.b5-b6 Kd4-d5 12.Kc8-d7
Be5xh2 13.g6-g7 d2-d1R
  +-  (4.37)   Depth: 6   00:00:00
3.Bf5-d3 Bb6-c5 4.Kd5-c6 Kb4-c3 5.Bd3-f1 Bc5-b6 6.g4-g5 d4-d3 7.g5-g6 d3-d2
8.Bf1-e2 Bb6-d4 9.Kc6xc7 Bd4-e5+ 10.Kc7-c8 Kc3-d4 11.b5-b6 Kd4-d5 12.Kc8-d7
Be5xh2 13.g6-g7 d2-d1R
  +-  (4.37)   Depth: 7   00:00:00
3.Bf5-d3 Bb6-c5 4.Kd5-c6 Kb4-c3 5.Bd3-f1 Bc5-b6 6.g4-g5 d4-d3 7.g5-g6 d3-d2
8.Bf1-e2 Bb6-d4 9.Kc6xc7 Bd4-e5+ 10.Kc7-c8 Kc3-d4 11.b5-b6 Kd4-d5 12.Kc8-d7
Be5xh2 13.g6-g7 d2-d1R
  +-  (4.37)   Depth: 8   00:00:00  1kN
3.Bf5-d3 Bb6-c5 4.Kd5-c6 Kb4-c3 5.Bd3-f1 Bc5-b6 6.g4-g5 d4-d3 7.g5-g6 d3-d2
8.Bf1-e2 Bb6-d4 9.Kc6xc7 Bd4-e5+ 10.Kc7-c8 Kc3-d4 11.b5-b6 Kd4-d5 12.Kc8-d7
Be5xh2 13.g6-g7 d2-d1R
  +-  (4.37)   Depth: 9   00:00:00  5kN
3.Bf5-d3 Bb6-c5 4.Kd5-c6 Kb4-c3 5.Bd3-f1 Bc5-b6 6.g4-g5 d4-d3 7.g5-g6 d3-d2
8.Bf1-e2 Bb6-d4 9.Kc6xc7 Bd4-e5+ 10.Kc7-c8 Kc3-d4 11.b5-b6 Kd4-d5 12.Kc8-d7
Be5xh2 13.g6-g7 d2-d1R
  +-  (4.37)   Depth: 10   00:00:00  12kN
3.Bf5-d3 Bb6-c5 4.Kd5-c6 Kb4-c3 5.Bd3-f1 Bc5-b6 6.g4-g5 d4-d3 7.g5-g6 d3-d2
8.Bf1-e2 Bb6-d4 9.Kc6xc7 Bd4-e5+ 10.Kc7-c8 Kc3-d4 11.b5-b6 Kd4-d5 12.Kc8-d7
Be5xh2 13.g6-g7 d2-d1R
  +-  (4.37)   Depth: 11   00:00:00  32kN
3.Bf5-d3 Bb6-c5 4.Kd5-c6 Kb4-c3 5.Bd3-f1 Bc5-b6 6.g4-g5 d4-d3 7.g5-g6 d3-d2
8.Bf1-e2 Bb6-d4 9.Kc6xc7 Bd4-e5+ 10.Kc7-c8 Kc3-d4 11.b5-b6 Kd4-d5 12.Kc8-d7
Be5xh2 13.g6-g7 d2-d1R
  +-  (4.37)   Depth: 12   00:00:00  84kN
3.Bf5-d3 Bb6-c5 4.Kd5-c6 Kb4-c3 5.Bd3-f1 Bc5-b6 6.g4-g5 d4-d3 7.g5-g6 d3-d2
8.Bf1-e2 Bb6-d4 9.Kc6xc7 Bd4-e5+ 10.Kc7-c8 Kc3-d4 11.b5-b6 Kd4-d5 12.Kc8-d7
Be5xh2 13.g6-g7 d2-d1R
  +-  (4.37)   Depth: 13   00:00:00  185kN
3.Bf5-d3 Bb6-c5 4.Kd5-c6 Kb4-c3 5.Bd3-f1 Bc5-b6 6.g4-g5 d4-d3 7.g5-g6 d3-d2
8.Bf1-e2 Bb6-d4 9.Kc6xc7 Bd4-e5+ 10.Kc7-c8 Kc3-d4 11.b5-b6 Kd4-d5 12.Kc8-d7
Be5xh2 13.g6-g7 d2-d1R
  +-  (4.37)   Depth: 14   00:00:00  425kN
3.Bf5-d3 Bb6-c5 4.Kd5-c6 Kb4-c3 5.Bd3-f1 Bc5-b6 6.g4-g5 d4-d3 7.g5-g6 d3-d2
8.Bf1-e2 Bb6-d4 9.Kc6xc7 Bd4-e5+ 10.Kc7-c8 Kc3-d4 11.b5-b6 Kd4-d5 12.Kc8-d7
Be5xh2 13.g6-g7 d2-d1R
  +-  (4.37)   Depth: 15   00:00:01  1052kN
3.Bf5-d3 Bb6-c5 4.Kd5-c6 Kb4-c3 5.Bd3-f1 Bc5-b6 6.g4-g5 d4-d3 7.g5-g6 d3-d2
8.Bf1-e2 Bb6-d4 9.Kc6xc7 Bd4-e5+ 10.Kc7-c8 Kc3-d4 11.b5-b6 Kd4-d5 12.Kc8-d7
Be5xh2 13.g6-g7 d2-d1R
  +-  (4.37)   Depth: 16   00:00:04  2369kN

(Blass, Tel-aviv 13.01.2003)

Uri



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