Author: Uri Blass
Date: 23:32:05 01/13/03
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On January 14, 2003 at 01:44:30, Luis Smith wrote: >On January 13, 2003 at 22:06:44, Terry McCracken wrote: > >>On January 13, 2003 at 19:08:23, stuart taylor wrote: >> >>>Let's get it over with already, (all this DB worship)! >>>I'm sure we can already say that whichever comes at the top of the ssdf (When >>>Deep junior/Junior 8 gets tested, and with necesary correction patches), and if >>>you put that program on the best, but regular hardware, I think we can well >>>assume it has gone a bit over the DB which embarrassed Kasparov. >>>I think we can finally safely assume that this multi-million dollar enterprise >>>which made headlines everywhere, is already exceeded with our bedroom (or living >>>room) furniture. It was normally 2 years between top existing machine, and level >>>of what is commercially available. This will now be a clean 6 years. >>> How much more can we dream?! >>> >>>I think that it's safe to say that top commercial computer chess strength has >>>absolutely outclassed itself atleast twice since then. We have gone from Hiarcs >>>6 on 266 Mhz. to Fritz 8 on about 2.7 Ghz. I really don't think that deeper blue >>>would pose any real threat today. OK, it might be very near the top, maybe >>>second or third, and might stay around there for a couple more years due to its >>>speed challenge. But what we have now, overall, is surely better. >>>S.Taylor >> >>Where's your data to support your claims? >>Stuart, you haven't a clue what you're talking about, and you know it...or you >>should! >> >>Without concrete data, you're talking through your hat. >> >>Terry > >Say for instance, Fritz 5.32 and Shredder 7 played a series of games. Fritz >5.32 was on a Deep Blue's hardware and Shredder 7 had an 8xprocessor computer >with each processor running at 1 ghz. Despite Shredder's increase in knowledge, >I would still pick Fritz 5.32 to win simply because of the vast searching power. > I myself using Fritz 7 on the playchess server have played against a Fritz 5.32 >on a Dual AMD MP 2200 against my P III 1ghz, despite having a better book and >newer software, he still tore me to peices... > >I think Deep Blue has an edge over an 8x processor commercial engine...I think >you all underestimate searching power, I think Deep Blue will be well ahead of >its time for even 2-5 years to come...but then again I know absolutely nothing >about chess programming and am probably wrong ^_^ > >Reguards >Luis Yes I think that you forget some important things. 1)The games that you play are blitz and on blitz better knowledge is not important. I suggest you to try 120/40. 2)I doubt if shredder has better knowledge than other programs. There are a lot of positions when Fritz's evaluation is more realistic. 3)There are logfiles of the game and I found nothing impressive there(I do not know about a single idea that programs of today needs hours to find). My impression based on the games is that deeper blue was not better in tactics than the programs of today. I think that you are overestimating the searching power of deeper blue. Uri
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