Author: Luis Smith
Date: 12:36:16 01/14/03
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On January 14, 2003 at 04:03:41, Uri Blass wrote: >On January 14, 2003 at 01:09:26, Luis Smith wrote: > >>On January 13, 2003 at 21:51:52, Terry McCracken wrote: >> >>>On January 13, 2003 at 14:29:51, Timothy J. Frohlick wrote: >>> >>>>Lieven, >>>> >>>>You are correct Sir. Nemeth's attack is an unsound one. Kasparov would ream him >>>>a new "you know what" if Nemeth played like this. Hiarcs 8.0 even on my slow PII >>>>333 chose g7-g6 after a couple of seconds. Mr. Nemeth appears to like blitz >>>>chess in order to show his superiority over "dumb" programs. His posts are >>>>amusing however. >>>> >>>Are you sure Fritz 8 is "dumber" HIARCS 8? I doubt it! >>>>TJF >>>> >>>>On January 13, 2003 at 10:36:44, Lieven Clarisse wrote: >>>> >>>>>On January 12, 2003 at 17:19:23, Terry McCracken wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On January 12, 2003 at 17:15:46, Luis Smith wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>In a recent Ed Nemeth vs. Fritz game the following position occoured >>>>>>> >>>>>>>[D] rnbq3r/pppp1kpp/8/2b4Q/3pn3/8/PP3PPP/RNB1K1NR b KQ - 0 7 >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Fritz chose to play Ke6 rather than b7-b6, which seems much more sound to me. >>>>>>>Is there something hidden in the b7-b6 move which contains a hidden attack for >>>>>>>White that I cannot see? Or is it simply "one of those things" that computers >>>>>>>do? >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Aristarch 4.4 and Yace 0.99.56 along with several other of the top programs >>>>>>>opted for Ke6...why? >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Reguards >>>>>>>Luis >>>>>> >>>>>>You mean g7-g6, and if that is played rather than Ke6, Qd5+! wins. >>>>>> >>>>>>Terry >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>I don't think so, white queen cannot take knight, otherwise has to face queen >>>>>loss (rook e8). >>> >>>Yes I see that, but White can complicate with Qd5+! The N or B can be snagged >>>later without the Rel threat. >>> >>>But it's not easy for White to win. Maybe White can't, but in blitz even comps., >>>screw up! >>> >>>Terry >> >>After forcing Fritz to play g7-g6 I tried several lines against it, all which it >>defended successfully, then I pit some of the other top programs against it in >>this same position...and again it seemed to end up winning. but my origional >>question has not been answered...Why do computers make the choice Ke6 rather >>than g7-g6? >> >>Reguards >>Luis > >The reason is simply that you do not give them enough time. >Try to give yace some hours. > >Yace can see g6 in some minutes on a fast hardware. >I do not remember the exact time that it needed but it was less than 30 minutes >on P850. > >Uri Whats the use of giving it hours, or even half an hour, its not practical for real playing. What if (IF!!!) this position had occoured in the Kramnik - Deep Fritz match? It wouldn't have half an hour to find the move...it would have had maybe 8-10 minutes at most with the way computers manage time... Reguards Luis
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