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Subject: Re: The Diepeveen Challenge

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 06:31:55 01/15/03

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On January 15, 2003 at 04:59:32, Vincent Lejeune wrote:

>I think the main point of Bob is to get a "I was wrong" from Vincent Diepeveen !
>;)

It is more likely I will get hit by a snowball delivered from hell, I believe.
:)

Some arguments are unanswerable.  IE is DB stronger than DF.  Because DB is
gone.  But other arguments can easily be proven or disproven.  This is one.
Because
I have the 1997 versions of Crafty and I have 1997 hardware platforms here.  The
only thing "missing" is Vincent, where he finally gets a chance to "proof"
something
in a real test.

And he disappears or changes the subject...

Maybe one day I will explain to him why the "smaller" BTB on the PIV is actually
far better than a larger one that doesn't use the new algorithm.  But I'll wait
a while.

Matt's already explained why 8 bit instructions are not always bad to use on a
PIV.

Crafty will be quite happy to demonstrate why making outrageous statements can
sometimes
lead to outrageous embarassment.  :)




>
>On January 14, 2003 at 21:57:16, John Merlino wrote:
>
>>On January 14, 2003 at 21:04:31, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>
>>>On January 14, 2003 at 16:04:28, John Merlino wrote:
>>>
>>>>On January 14, 2003 at 15:28:37, Bas Hamstra wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On January 14, 2003 at 15:03:09, Wayne Lowrance wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On January 14, 2003 at 14:57:38, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I'm still waiting.  Vincent, you claimed "you could easily beat a 1997 program
>>>>>>>on 1997
>>>>>>>hardware."  I have a 1997 program and 1997 hardware waiting for you to prove
>>>>>>>that
>>>>>>>statement on.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I have mentioned this more than once after you made the outrageous claim.  You
>>>>>>>have
>>>>>>>_never_ responded.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Is this another case of "I put my foot in my mouth, now I am going to 'go
>>>>>>>silent' and
>>>>>>>hope everyone forgets?"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I don't forget that much...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Damn it Hyatt let it be. Why does it bother you ? You are not half the player he
>>>>>>is and I believe he can do it. Crafty is not a good blitzer.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Thanks
>>>>>>Wayne
>>>>>
>>>>>Pffff, sissy. Come on Vincent, the whole CCC (except for some sissies) is
>>>>>waiting!
>>>>>
>>>>>Bas.
>>>>
>>>>...and other people who couldn't care less, I imagine.... like myself....
>>>>
>>>>jm
>>>
>>>
>>>I would guess you mean "you are more interested in seeing a computer play
>>>against a GM rather than seeing a computer thrash a loudmouth"???
>>>
>>>:)
>>
>>Uh, well, more or less....
>>
>>And, after all, Vincent isn't even an IM (and states in his finger notes that
>>his goal is to be an IM by 2005!). That's certainly better than I am, but it
>>almost certainly isn't able to compete against ANY comp in blitz. PERHAPS even a
>>comp running on 5-6 year old hardware, assuming the human in question doesn't
>>get a lot of time to prepare against the opponent....
>>
>>But what would the contest prove (to the community at large) anyway? If Crafty
>>wins, all it did was beat an FM at blitz. If Vincent wins, all he did was win
>>against a non-commercial program running on 6 year old hardware.
>>
>>Sounds to me like it isn't really worth the hassle any more. But it also sounds
>>like, as time goes on, Vincent has a better chance of winning....
>>
>>jm



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