Author: Robert Hyatt
Date: 08:10:15 01/15/03
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On January 15, 2003 at 10:12:12, Bob Durrett wrote: >On January 15, 2003 at 09:31:55, Robert Hyatt wrote: > >>On January 15, 2003 at 04:59:32, Vincent Lejeune wrote: >> >>>I think the main point of Bob is to get a "I was wrong" from Vincent Diepeveen ! >>>;) >> >>It is more likely I will get hit by a snowball delivered from hell, I believe. >>:) >> >>Some arguments are unanswerable. IE is DB stronger than DF. Because DB is >>gone. But other arguments can easily be proven or disproven. This is one. >>Because >>I have the 1997 versions of Crafty and I have 1997 hardware platforms here. The >>only thing "missing" is Vincent, where he finally gets a chance to "proof" >>something >>in a real test. >> >>And he disappears or changes the subject... > >Maybe Vincent thinks you would cheat, and substitute Crafty on a supercomputer. > >Bob D. How? The old version would be available to anyone interested in testing it. It would be pretty obvious if I got to depth=15 and someone with a 1ghz pc could only get to depth=13. The point here is that I _can't_ cheat. Never could. Can't claim my SMP speedup is something it is not, because I release my code. Contrary to "some" that claim their code does this or that but nobody can look to see if that is true or not. Hard to cheat when everything is out in the open. Now as to whether Vincent would use a computer to help _him_ or not is another whole issue, as that would be far harder to detect than my using some ultra-modern hardware or program version. > > >> >>Maybe one day I will explain to him why the "smaller" BTB on the PIV is actually >>far better than a larger one that doesn't use the new algorithm. But I'll wait >>a while. >> >>Matt's already explained why 8 bit instructions are not always bad to use on a >>PIV. >> >>Crafty will be quite happy to demonstrate why making outrageous statements can >>sometimes >>lead to outrageous embarassment. :) >> >> >> >> >>> >>>On January 14, 2003 at 21:57:16, John Merlino wrote: >>> >>>>On January 14, 2003 at 21:04:31, Robert Hyatt wrote: >>>> >>>>>On January 14, 2003 at 16:04:28, John Merlino wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On January 14, 2003 at 15:28:37, Bas Hamstra wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>On January 14, 2003 at 15:03:09, Wayne Lowrance wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>On January 14, 2003 at 14:57:38, Robert Hyatt wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>I'm still waiting. Vincent, you claimed "you could easily beat a 1997 program >>>>>>>>>on 1997 >>>>>>>>>hardware." I have a 1997 program and 1997 hardware waiting for you to prove >>>>>>>>>that >>>>>>>>>statement on. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>I have mentioned this more than once after you made the outrageous claim. You >>>>>>>>>have >>>>>>>>>_never_ responded. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>Is this another case of "I put my foot in my mouth, now I am going to 'go >>>>>>>>>silent' and >>>>>>>>>hope everyone forgets?" >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>I don't forget that much... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Damn it Hyatt let it be. Why does it bother you ? You are not half the player he >>>>>>>>is and I believe he can do it. Crafty is not a good blitzer. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Thanks >>>>>>>>Wayne >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Pffff, sissy. Come on Vincent, the whole CCC (except for some sissies) is >>>>>>>waiting! >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Bas. >>>>>> >>>>>>...and other people who couldn't care less, I imagine.... like myself.... >>>>>> >>>>>>jm >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>I would guess you mean "you are more interested in seeing a computer play >>>>>against a GM rather than seeing a computer thrash a loudmouth"??? >>>>> >>>>>:) >>>> >>>>Uh, well, more or less.... >>>> >>>>And, after all, Vincent isn't even an IM (and states in his finger notes that >>>>his goal is to be an IM by 2005!). That's certainly better than I am, but it >>>>almost certainly isn't able to compete against ANY comp in blitz. PERHAPS even a >>>>comp running on 5-6 year old hardware, assuming the human in question doesn't >>>>get a lot of time to prepare against the opponent.... >>>> >>>>But what would the contest prove (to the community at large) anyway? If Crafty >>>>wins, all it did was beat an FM at blitz. If Vincent wins, all he did was win >>>>against a non-commercial program running on 6 year old hardware. >>>> >>>>Sounds to me like it isn't really worth the hassle any more. But it also sounds >>>>like, as time goes on, Vincent has a better chance of winning.... >>>> >>>>jm
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