Author: Robert Hyatt
Date: 09:01:12 01/15/03
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On January 15, 2003 at 11:34:52, Bob Durrett wrote: >On January 15, 2003 at 11:10:15, Robert Hyatt wrote: > >>On January 15, 2003 at 10:12:12, Bob Durrett wrote: >> >>>On January 15, 2003 at 09:31:55, Robert Hyatt wrote: >>> >>>>On January 15, 2003 at 04:59:32, Vincent Lejeune wrote: >>>> >>>>>I think the main point of Bob is to get a "I was wrong" from Vincent Diepeveen ! >>>>>;) >>>> >>>>It is more likely I will get hit by a snowball delivered from hell, I believe. >>>>:) >>>> >>>>Some arguments are unanswerable. IE is DB stronger than DF. Because DB is >>>>gone. But other arguments can easily be proven or disproven. This is one. >>>>Because >>>>I have the 1997 versions of Crafty and I have 1997 hardware platforms here. The >>>>only thing "missing" is Vincent, where he finally gets a chance to "proof" >>>>something >>>>in a real test. >>>> >>>>And he disappears or changes the subject... >>> >>>Maybe Vincent thinks you would cheat, and substitute Crafty on a supercomputer. >>> >>>Bob D. >> >>How? The old version would be available to anyone interested in testing >>it. It would be pretty obvious if I got to depth=15 and someone with a >>1ghz pc could only get to depth=13. >> >>The point here is that I _can't_ cheat. Never could. Can't claim my SMP >>speedup is something it is not, because I release my code. Contrary to "some" >>that claim their code does this or that but nobody can look to see if that is >>true or not. >> >>Hard to cheat when everything is out in the open. >> >>Now as to whether Vincent would use a computer to help _him_ or not is >>another whole issue, as that would be far harder to detect than my using >>some ultra-modern hardware or program version. > >I had the impression that Vincent lives in Europe. Surely, he would not travel >all the way to Birmingham, Alabama, USA, just for a few games. [Besides, you >might use your Black Belt against him! You might lose your cool and deck him! >Seems likely to me. : ) ] That implies that the game would have to be played on >the Internet or on a chess server such as an ICC server. > >Under those circumstances, Vincent would have no way to confirm that the >computer he was playing against were "as advertised." To make your challenge >viable, it is necessary to find a way around this problem. Then if Vincent >refuses, he is clearly BAD! Sure he could tell. He would know the version I am using. He could download that from my ftp site. He would know the hardware I am supposed to be using. He can play over the game to verify that his copy of Crafty on his hardware would play the same moves. Others "watching/observing" would see crafty's scores and analysis, and they could do an even better job of checking to see if all is well, because they could _also_ download the program to see if it matches. It would be impossible to cheat with a program everyone has a copy of. absolutely impossible. > > >You could consider taking your computer to him. : ) No. I suspect I would become frustrated enough that the place where I end up sticking my computer would make it not very attractive for me to have to take it back to my office again. :) > >Bob D. > ><snip>
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