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Subject: Re: General Q about chess programmers

Author: Uri Blass

Date: 00:18:02 01/16/03

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On January 16, 2003 at 02:39:42, Jorge Pichard wrote:

>On January 16, 2003 at 02:19:01, Uri Blass wrote:
>
>>On January 16, 2003 at 01:22:17, Nathan Thom wrote:
>>
>>>On January 16, 2003 at 01:11:44, Uri Blass wrote:
>>>
>>>>On January 16, 2003 at 00:15:24, Nathan Thom wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Im an amateur chess player (around 1300), but love to program interesting
>>>>>problems. It seems that most of the programmers here are all very highly rated
>>>>>chess players. Most chess programs beat me easily, so I thought it would be
>>>>>interesting to see if I could write a program that could beat me aswell.
>>>>>
>>>>>In peoples opinion, will it be hard for me to write a program that can play very
>>>>>well (say 1800+) even if it only uses my basic knowledge of chess?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Basic knowledge is more than enought to get 1800++
>>>>piece square table evaluation+alphabeta+check extensions is more than enough for
>>>>your purpose(you even do not need hash tables and null move pruning if your
>>>>target is only 1800++ and tscp is already at that level).
>>>>
>>>>Uri
>>>
>>>I guess im also concerned that after some point, Im not going to be able to
>>>improve it because I cant tell whether its new move is better than its old move!
>>>ill have to use another good program to evaluate its move.
>>
>>It will take a long time before you get to the point that you feel that you are
>>not able to improve it.
>>
>>There are a lot of possible improvements that is not about evaluation
>>
>>1)Search improvement(better order of moves or better pruning and extension rules
>>or better use of hash tables)
>>2)Speed improvements(do the same thing faster)
>>
>>You can use tactical test suites for testing improvements
>>
>>Uri
>
>Uri, I bet that you were happy when you found out that Movei was able to beat
>you 55% of the time using your Duron 950 Mhz. Your biggest satisfation will be
>when Movei can beat you 90% of the times or reach at least a 2600 Elo on the
>SSDF, but you won't stop improving your program until Movei becomes one of the
>best five program on the SSDF. That might take another 6 years, but your
>addiction to improve Movei will become very hard to get away from. I don't know
>how  Mr. Schroeder was able to break away from this addiction. Well sometimes
>professional programmers get dissatisfied when a new free program like Ruffian
>accomplish such a high status when it is just a fresh release, capable of
>beating your creation.
>
>Pichard

I did not play against Movei so I did not find that it can beat me x%of the
times.

I also has not duron 950 Mhz a I used slightly different hardware (850 or
1000Mhz)

Uri



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