Author: Jorge Pichard
Date: 04:15:04 01/16/03
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On January 16, 2003 at 03:18:02, Uri Blass wrote: >On January 16, 2003 at 02:39:42, Jorge Pichard wrote: > >>On January 16, 2003 at 02:19:01, Uri Blass wrote: >> >>>On January 16, 2003 at 01:22:17, Nathan Thom wrote: >>> >>>>On January 16, 2003 at 01:11:44, Uri Blass wrote: >>>> >>>>>On January 16, 2003 at 00:15:24, Nathan Thom wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>Im an amateur chess player (around 1300), but love to program interesting >>>>>>problems. It seems that most of the programmers here are all very highly rated >>>>>>chess players. Most chess programs beat me easily, so I thought it would be >>>>>>interesting to see if I could write a program that could beat me aswell. >>>>>> >>>>>>In peoples opinion, will it be hard for me to write a program that can play very >>>>>>well (say 1800+) even if it only uses my basic knowledge of chess? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Basic knowledge is more than enought to get 1800++ >>>>>piece square table evaluation+alphabeta+check extensions is more than enough for >>>>>your purpose(you even do not need hash tables and null move pruning if your >>>>>target is only 1800++ and tscp is already at that level). >>>>> >>>>>Uri >>>> >>>>I guess im also concerned that after some point, Im not going to be able to >>>>improve it because I cant tell whether its new move is better than its old move! >>>>ill have to use another good program to evaluate its move. >>> >>>It will take a long time before you get to the point that you feel that you are >>>not able to improve it. >>> >>>There are a lot of possible improvements that is not about evaluation >>> >>>1)Search improvement(better order of moves or better pruning and extension rules >>>or better use of hash tables) >>>2)Speed improvements(do the same thing faster) >>> >>>You can use tactical test suites for testing improvements >>> >>>Uri >> >>Uri, I bet that you were happy when you found out that Movei was able to beat >>you 55% of the time using your Duron 950 Mhz. Your biggest satisfation will be >>when Movei can beat you 90% of the times or reach at least a 2600 Elo on the >>SSDF, but you won't stop improving your program until Movei becomes one of the >>best five program on the SSDF. That might take another 6 years, but your >>addiction to improve Movei will become very hard to get away from. I don't know >>how Mr. Schroeder was able to break away from this addiction. Well sometimes >>professional programmers get dissatisfied when a new free program like Ruffian >>accomplish such a high status when it is just a fresh release, capable of >>beating your creation. >> >>Pichard > >I did not play against Movei so I did not find that it can beat me x%of the >times. Sorry, I thought that at least you tested your creation. >I also has not duron 950 Mhz a I used slightly different hardware (850 or >1000Mhz) 850 Mhz or 1000 Mhz are very closed and 50Mhz don't make any difference when playing against humans. Please report any game when and if you decide to play against Movei. Pichard.
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