Author: James T. Walker
Date: 17:22:13 01/19/03
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On January 19, 2003 at 14:47:57, Chessfun wrote: >On January 19, 2003 at 14:29:16, Christophe Theron wrote: > >>On January 19, 2003 at 13:19:39, James T. Walker wrote: >> >>>On January 18, 2003 at 13:45:22, Christophe Theron wrote: >>> >>>>On January 18, 2003 at 00:51:15, Jorge Pichard wrote: >>>> >>>>>On January 18, 2003 at 00:35:43, Christophe Theron wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On January 17, 2003 at 18:39:29, Jorge Pichard wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>So the Fritzes are still the best! >>>>>>> >>>>>>>http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=724 >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>You ignore error bars, and worse you ignore the K6-2 450 list. >>>>>> >>>>>> Christophe >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>If you average the results on the two computers K6-2 450 and Athlon 1200 MHz >>>>>Chess Tiger 15 is still the closest competitor to Deep Fritz 7. According to Dan >>>>>your bear (Tiger) is getting as tall as the first bear :) >>>>> >>>>>Pichard. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>Thanks for noticing it! :) >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Christophe >>> >>>The thing is that Chess Tiger 15 seems to not gain as much with cpu speed as >>>Fritz. In fact on my XP2400+ Chess Tiger 15 is lagging slightly behind Chess >>>Tiger 14. It is definitely behind Fritz 8 and Shredder 7 in my database. I >>>don't have a lot of games but enough to cause concern. >>>Jim >> >> >> >> >>I knew somebody would say something like that. >> >>I'm sorry, but if it is already difficult to establish which is the best program >>overall, it is even more difficult to establish which one gains more from faster >>hardware. It's simple math. >> >>So don't even think to be able to assert something like that before reaching the >>10000 games mark. Please. >> >> >> >> Christophe > >All I know is it still leads my database on my 1200's. I never played a match >where it lost, like the SSDF although it scored higher in my games. Now I'm >running two XP 2600's but as you say I'd be surprised by any different result >excluding what's within the current + - bars. > >Sarah. Hello Sarah, I know we are getting different results. Don't know why. Just normal variation I guess. Anyway here are the totals of my 3 databases made over the past 13 months. It proves nothing but is just another set of data points that should also not be ignored. All games on 2 AMD machines (900/1400/2000Mhz) using auto232. Note it's also easy to manipulate the ratings by playing certain opponents especially when the number of games is low as in most of the cases below. I have made no attempt to even out the games/opponents. I just play the games I'm interested in each day. G/60 min or longer Rating Games 1 Fritz 7 2439 436 2 Fritz 8 2438 52 3 Shredder 7 2425 46 4 CM9K(32M) 2400 26 5 Shredder 6C 2399 173 6 Shredder Paderborn 2397 113 7 Gambit Tiger 2.0 2395 168 8 Chess Tiger 14.0 2385 176 9 Hiarcs 8 2383 114 10 Ruffian 1.0.1 2380 113 11 Junior 7 2375 480 12 Shredder 6 2375 86 13 Fritz 6e 2360 447 14 Deep Shredder 2356 213 15 Chess Tiger 15 2354 186 16 Chess Tiger 13.0 2353 92 17 Century 4 2351 372 18 Hiarcs 7.32 2347 405 19 Gambit Tiger 1.0 2336 85 20 Gandalf 5.1 2328 225 21 Gandalf 5.0 2324 225 22 Fritz 6b 2323 59 23 Shredder 5 2321 229 24 Fritz 5.32 2315 32 25 Program X 2306 97 26 CM8KU 2304 50 27 Century 3.2 2294 61 28 Crafty 18.13 2285 115 29 Crafty 18.10 2284 105 30 CM8K(32M) 2283 151 31 Rebel Century 3.0 2281 52 32 Junior 6.0 2278 144 33 Yace 2263 161 34 Aristarch 4.4 2248 7 35 Crafty 18.12 2243 82 36 CSTal II 2216 32 37 Crafty 19.00 2216 16 38 Rebel XP 2191 10 39 Sjeng 2187 10 G/30 min (mostly) 1 Shredder 7 2467 37 2 Fritz 8 2439 44 3 CM9K 2437 6 4 Gambit Tiger 2.0 2430 145 5 Chess Tiger 14.0 2405 139 6 Chess Tiger 15 2389 45 7 Fritz 7 2388 214 8 Gambit Tiger 1.0 2388 93 9 Fritz 6e 2379 303 10 Junior 6.0 2378 220 11 Shredder Paderborn 2375 96 12 Shredder 6 2364 150 13 Junior 7 2363 262 14 Deep Shredder 2360 106 15 Chess Tiger 13.0 2357 44 16 Crafty 18.13 2352 40 17 Fritz 5.32 2348 288 18 Ruffian 1.0.1 2339 68 19 Fritz 6 2334 80 20 Hiarcs 8 2331 32 21 Crafty 19.01 2331 22 22 Program X 2328 266 23 Gambit Shredder 2323 55 24 Rebel Century 3.0 2322 73 25 Yace 0.99.56 2322 18 26 Hiarcs 7.32 2319 133 27 Mex 2318 20 28 Shredder 5 2308 100 29 Century 4 2304 69 30 Gandalf 5.1 2298 20 31 Aristarch 4.4 2296 30 32 Shredder 6C 2277 220 33 CM8K(32M) 2269 68 34 Gandalf 5.0 2256 144 35 Crafty 18.7 2233 10 36 Rebel XP 2158 8 Blitz (G/5min-G/10min) 1 Fritz 8 2420 340 2 Fritz 7 2418 2948 3 Chess Tiger 14.0 2404 2189 4 Shredder 7 2397 206 5 Chess Tiger 15 2382 880 6 Gambit Tiger 2.0 2379 692 7 Gambit Tiger 1.0 2374 493 8 Chess Tiger 13.0 2367 226 9 CM9K_X 2367 34 10 Fritz 6e 2362 1684 11 Junior 7 2360 1589 12 The King 3.23 2359 40 13 Ruffian 1.0.1 2351 409 14 Fritz6b 2349 388 15 Shredder 6C 2349 306 16 Hiarcs 8 2348 788 17 Shredder Paderborn 2348 442 18 Shredder 6 2337 367 19 Shredder 6.02 2334 292 20 Junior 6.0 2324 413 21 CM9K(8M) 2321 20 22 Gambit Shredder 2317 160 23 Hiarcs 7.32 2314 1353 24 Fritz 5.32 2301 436 25 CM8K(8M) 2298 112 26 Deep Shredder 2295 254 27 Shredder 5 2290 460 28 Gandalf 5.0 2276 726 29 Gandalf 5.1 2276 151 30 Century 4 2263 78 31 Crafty 18.10 2261 124 32 Program X 2254 564 33 Shredder 4 2251 79 34 Crafty 19.00 2248 90 35 CM8KU 2247 10 36 Crafty 18.13 2241 278 37 Yace 0.99.56 2233 183 38 Crafty 18.1 2231 227 39 Yace 2229 60 40 Sjeng 12.13 2216 59 41 Rebel Century 3.0 2208 46 42 Crafty 18.3 2203 42 43 Bringer 1.9 2195 25 44 Sjeng 12.14d 2194 111 45 Aristarch 4.4 2184 6 46 Crafty 19.01 2178 100 47 CSTal 2003 14
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