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Subject: Re: Reinstate Thorsten Czub? A plea.

Author: Bruce Moreland

Date: 09:49:20 09/25/98

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On September 25, 1998 at 06:05:23, Steve Blatchford wrote:

>On September 24, 1998 at 20:27:47, Don Dailey wrote:

>>Of course we considered this. We looked
>>at many angles.  We are convinced that Thorsten was partially baited
>>and goaded.
>
>If Thorsten was "partially baited and goaded", do you think that the "baiters
>and goaders" did not realise the likely effect of the "baiting and goading" ?

I saw a few threads start that looked like Thorsten traps to me.  The
possibility that there might be some deliberate effort to trap him going on was
taken into account.

>The "baiters and goaders" were Thorsten's erstwhile friends. One of them had
>recently made an end to his friendship with Thorsten in a most humiliating and
>public way.
>That little piece of hatred went right to the top of the mountain to end its
>thread.
>
>Resulting in "peace and quiet" for a while. Soldiers go back to their private
>email groups.
>
>Then, later, little pin-pricks from the "baiters and goaders" seemed designed
>for maximum impact. They were from "friends", they were collective, they implied
>cheating, they deliberately used language that allowed 100 escape routes.

Initially there were several strange posts which were effectively cheating
accusations against Thorsten.  These were seen for what they were, at the time.

>When Thorsten reacted (you were surprised ?), they seized on his terminology and
>wouldn't let go. They demanded his expulsion by the moderators. As the
>moderators vacillated they threatened the existence of the CCC by their own
>resignations.

You weren't involved in our discussions so I don't think you know how we reacted
to this.

>>The problem is that Thorsten is the easiest one on the
>>group to bait and that in itself caused a lot of problems.
>>
>
>Were the "baiters and goaders" so stupid that they didn't know this ?
>
>Were the "baiters and goaders" acting random, or did they get the result they
>set out for ?
>
>>Do you think we are stupid?
>
>Do you think you've been used ?

I think the attempt may have been made, but the possibility of this was
recognized by us at the time, that is one reason this episode took so long.  I
think that if success is measured by the end result, then they got what they
wanted.

I think your interpretation of events is simplistic.

bruce



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