Author: Jorge
Date: 08:29:00 01/20/03
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On January 19, 2003 at 20:22:13, James T. Walker wrote: >On January 19, 2003 at 14:47:57, Chessfun wrote: > >>On January 19, 2003 at 14:29:16, Christophe Theron wrote: >> >>>On January 19, 2003 at 13:19:39, James T. Walker wrote: >>> >>>>On January 18, 2003 at 13:45:22, Christophe Theron wrote: >>>> >>>>>On January 18, 2003 at 00:51:15, Jorge Pichard wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On January 18, 2003 at 00:35:43, Christophe Theron wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>On January 17, 2003 at 18:39:29, Jorge Pichard wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>So the Fritzes are still the best! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=724 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>You ignore error bars, and worse you ignore the K6-2 450 list. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Christophe >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>If you average the results on the two computers K6-2 450 and Athlon 1200 MHz >>>>>>Chess Tiger 15 is still the closest competitor to Deep Fritz 7. According to Dan >>>>>>your bear (Tiger) is getting as tall as the first bear :) >>>>>> >>>>>>Pichard. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Thanks for noticing it! :) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Christophe >>>> >>>>The thing is that Chess Tiger 15 seems to not gain as much with cpu speed as >>>>Fritz. In fact on my XP2400+ Chess Tiger 15 is lagging slightly behind Chess >>>>Tiger 14. It is definitely behind Fritz 8 and Shredder 7 in my database. I >>>>don't have a lot of games but enough to cause concern. >>>>Jim >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>I knew somebody would say something like that. >>> >>>I'm sorry, but if it is already difficult to establish which is the best program >>>overall, it is even more difficult to establish which one gains more from faster >>>hardware. It's simple math. >>> >>>So don't even think to be able to assert something like that before reaching the >>>10000 games mark. Please. >>> >>> >>> >>> Christophe >> >>All I know is it still leads my database on my 1200's. I never played a match >>where it lost, like the SSDF although it scored higher in my games. Now I'm >>running two XP 2600's but as you say I'd be surprised by any different result >>excluding what's within the current + - bars. >> >>Sarah. > > >Hello Sarah, >I know we are getting different results. Don't know why. Just normal variation >I guess. Anyway here are the totals of my 3 databases made over the past 13 >months. It proves nothing but is just another set of data points that should >also not be ignored. All games on 2 AMD machines (900/1400/2000Mhz) using >auto232. Note it's also easy to manipulate the ratings by playing certain >opponents especially when the number of games is low as in most of the cases >below. I have made no attempt to even out the games/opponents. I just play the >games I'm interested in each day. > >G/60 min or longer Rating Games >1 Fritz 7 2439 436 >2 Fritz 8 2438 52 >3 Shredder 7 2425 46 >4 CM9K(32M) 2400 26 >5 Shredder 6C 2399 173 >6 Shredder Paderborn 2397 113 >7 Gambit Tiger 2.0 2395 168 >8 Chess Tiger 14.0 2385 176 >9 Hiarcs 8 2383 114 >10 Ruffian 1.0.1 2380 113 >11 Junior 7 2375 480 >12 Shredder 6 2375 86 >13 Fritz 6e 2360 447 >14 Deep Shredder 2356 213 >15 Chess Tiger 15 2354 186 >16 Chess Tiger 13.0 2353 92 >17 Century 4 2351 372 >18 Hiarcs 7.32 2347 405 >19 Gambit Tiger 1.0 2336 85 >20 Gandalf 5.1 2328 225 >21 Gandalf 5.0 2324 225 >22 Fritz 6b 2323 59 >23 Shredder 5 2321 229 >24 Fritz 5.32 2315 32 >25 Program X 2306 97 >26 CM8KU 2304 50 >27 Century 3.2 2294 61 >28 Crafty 18.13 2285 115 >29 Crafty 18.10 2284 105 >30 CM8K(32M) 2283 151 >31 Rebel Century 3.0 2281 52 >32 Junior 6.0 2278 144 >33 Yace 2263 161 >34 Aristarch 4.4 2248 7 >35 Crafty 18.12 2243 82 >36 CSTal II 2216 32 >37 Crafty 19.00 2216 16 >38 Rebel XP 2191 10 >39 Sjeng 2187 10 You have Fritz6, and Shredder6 ahead of ChessTiger15 in g/60, there's something wrong here. Hash table size for Tiger, Fritz? jorge > >G/30 min (mostly) >1 Shredder 7 2467 37 >2 Fritz 8 2439 44 >3 CM9K 2437 6 >4 Gambit Tiger 2.0 2430 145 >5 Chess Tiger 14.0 2405 139 >6 Chess Tiger 15 2389 45 >7 Fritz 7 2388 214 >8 Gambit Tiger 1.0 2388 93 >9 Fritz 6e 2379 303 >10 Junior 6.0 2378 220 >11 Shredder Paderborn 2375 96 >12 Shredder 6 2364 150 >13 Junior 7 2363 262 >14 Deep Shredder 2360 106 >15 Chess Tiger 13.0 2357 44 >16 Crafty 18.13 2352 40 >17 Fritz 5.32 2348 288 >18 Ruffian 1.0.1 2339 68 >19 Fritz 6 2334 80 >20 Hiarcs 8 2331 32 >21 Crafty 19.01 2331 22 >22 Program X 2328 266 >23 Gambit Shredder 2323 55 >24 Rebel Century 3.0 2322 73 >25 Yace 0.99.56 2322 18 >26 Hiarcs 7.32 2319 133 >27 Mex 2318 20 >28 Shredder 5 2308 100 >29 Century 4 2304 69 >30 Gandalf 5.1 2298 20 >31 Aristarch 4.4 2296 30 >32 Shredder 6C 2277 220 >33 CM8K(32M) 2269 68 >34 Gandalf 5.0 2256 144 >35 Crafty 18.7 2233 10 >36 Rebel XP 2158 8 > >Blitz (G/5min-G/10min) >1 Fritz 8 2420 340 >2 Fritz 7 2418 2948 >3 Chess Tiger 14.0 2404 2189 >4 Shredder 7 2397 206 >5 Chess Tiger 15 2382 880 >6 Gambit Tiger 2.0 2379 692 >7 Gambit Tiger 1.0 2374 493 >8 Chess Tiger 13.0 2367 226 >9 CM9K_X 2367 34 >10 Fritz 6e 2362 1684 >11 Junior 7 2360 1589 >12 The King 3.23 2359 40 >13 Ruffian 1.0.1 2351 409 >14 Fritz6b 2349 388 >15 Shredder 6C 2349 306 >16 Hiarcs 8 2348 788 >17 Shredder Paderborn 2348 442 >18 Shredder 6 2337 367 >19 Shredder 6.02 2334 292 >20 Junior 6.0 2324 413 >21 CM9K(8M) 2321 20 >22 Gambit Shredder 2317 160 >23 Hiarcs 7.32 2314 1353 >24 Fritz 5.32 2301 436 >25 CM8K(8M) 2298 112 >26 Deep Shredder 2295 254 >27 Shredder 5 2290 460 >28 Gandalf 5.0 2276 726 >29 Gandalf 5.1 2276 151 >30 Century 4 2263 78 >31 Crafty 18.10 2261 124 >32 Program X 2254 564 >33 Shredder 4 2251 79 >34 Crafty 19.00 2248 90 >35 CM8KU 2247 10 >36 Crafty 18.13 2241 278 >37 Yace 0.99.56 2233 183 >38 Crafty 18.1 2231 227 >39 Yace 2229 60 >40 Sjeng 12.13 2216 59 >41 Rebel Century 3.0 2208 46 >42 Crafty 18.3 2203 42 >43 Bringer 1.9 2195 25 >44 Sjeng 12.14d 2194 111 >45 Aristarch 4.4 2184 6 >46 Crafty 19.01 2178 100 >47 CSTal 2003 14
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